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mwisdom
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October 26, 2012 - 2:36 am
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Shama,

Have you considered doing a module specifically for pregnancy? We offer pre-natal yoga in the wellness center and have post pregnancy classes at our hospital. I have done thai on one of our pregnant massage therapist and just used common sense and precautions learned from pre-natal yoga training. It may or may not be true but I was told that pressure in specific areas of the feet could trigger them to go into labor early. Is this true and if so what would be the precautions using thai? 

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This would indeed be an interesting module. I never thought of it before, but now that you mention it, I will put it on my list of topics to work on.

Regarding the points on the feet – I have heard that many times. What I always noticed is that none of the people who mentioned it had any real understanding of it besides hearsay. I am sure of one thing – there is a bit of overrated hysteria around these points. Logic tells us that the first issue is how many months a woman is pregnant. If she is 3 months along, and you touch one of those points, she will not have a miscarriage. If she is 9 months along, and you work these points intensely, that might have an effect on her pregnancy.

I have so far not met anyone who has any real understanding what effect working on those points really has, at what stage in the pregnancy there might be an effect, and how intensely or how long you have to work those points in order for something to happen.

It is kind of difficult to test this. After all you cannot ask a pregnant women to be your guinea pig to check if she will miscarry or go into labor. That’s probably why nobody really knows much about these points besides hearing it from someone else who also does not have any real experience or data.

The points are on the side of the ankles by the way. As far as I am concerned, in the absence of real specific knowledge about the points, it would be a good common sense precaution to stay away from applying pressure there on pregnant women, just to be on the safe side. There is no need to work the sides of the ankles in a session, it is not like an essential element of Thai Massage that has to be included.

I have worked on quite a few pregnant women. I agree with you that with some common sense and obvious precautions there is no problem working on them. It is not like a pregnant woman is a super delicate crystal glass that breaks easily. And it is not like there are some magical points on her feet, and if you get near them, an instant miscarriage or instant labor will result, regardless of her stage of pregnancy.

It definitely helps to have a better understanding of pre-natal yoga, pregnancy massage and some specifically suited techniques in order to be on the safe side and get the best effect out of the session. I would like to add one point that I have always noticed when I worked on pregnant women. They generally have a pretty good sense or a good intuition what works for them. I always checked with them during the massage if it felt right to them. Basically I increased the amount of communication with pregnant women since they are the only ones who can really feel what is going on with their baby at this time. They always appreciated that I made them part of the process.

Some Thai Massage therapists have this idea that Thai Massage is an unending series of massive stretches. This is not correct. I often do 2 hour sessions with very few stretches. When working on pregnant women, I also use less stretching techniques. There are lots of ways to do Thai Massage without heavy duty stretching. You can work on feet, legs, arms, hands, neck, head and face without affecting the midsection of a pregnant woman. You can do lots of back work in the side position. You can prop up a highly pregnant woman in the supine position with lots of pillows so that her upper body is at a 45 degree angle, kind of like sitting in a recliner, half sitting, half lying. There are lots of things you can do.

My point is that any well trained and experienced Thai Massage therapist with good common sense has no reason to be afraid of working on pregnant women, but specialized training would even be better.

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October 26, 2012 - 11:22 pm
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Thank you for the response Shama. I know they usually present with a great deal of low back discomfort. Thai can obviously help relieve some of that. Yoga taught me to be careful with some of the hip stretches because of the the release of elastin. It helps the ligaments that attach the pubic bones to stretch and open during birth. As you said, stretching isn’t always important. Some nice pressure in key spots would seem to be a better choice.     

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October 26, 2012 - 11:56 pm
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My wife came home today and had a lot of pain in her lower back and sacrum area, and I worked on her for an hour just on this area (she is not pregnant, just for the record). Actually I did not use one single stretch. I mostly used techniques which I call ‘motion based’, meaning circling, rocking, back and forth or sideways wiggles with finger tips, palms, knuckles, forearms and elbows. That’s what I use a lot for my therapy work since I have good success with it in loosening up tight and sensitive spots. This can easily be done in the side position on a pregnant woman to reduce discomfort in the lower back. Another advantage is that for such techniques you don’t have to know much about pregnancy issues.

However if you do stretches on pregnant women, especially around the hip area, then it is much more important to know what exactly they do and how they affect the body of a pregnant woman.

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October 27, 2012 - 1:08 am
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Absolutely! I really like some of the side techniques and the different access it gives me. If the client is blocked properly it just seems I have more options rather than less. By the way Shama and off the subject, do you have any kids? And where are you from originally?

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October 27, 2012 - 8:47 am
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Grew up in Germany, US citizen, one daughter who lives in Austin, 2 teenage grand children:)

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March 28, 2013 - 9:36 am
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I have another question that best fits in this area. I have a client that has fertility issues. She asked me if I did any abdominal massage with the thai. I explained I had taken the course and practiced it some but not really used yet. She has fertility issues and read somewhere that thai might help with this. Outside of relaxation, increased blood flow and possibly some organ stimulation what can you add here? Anything you have learned in your practice that suggests Thai might help and why?

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Good abdominal massage can have far reaching results. The whole principle of Chi Nei Tsang and the Shiatsu abdominal work is that it affects the entire body. My version is based on the Chi Nei Tsang style of one of Mantak Chia’s students who is one of the best known teachers in the US, Gilles Marin, and who runs the Chi Nei Tsang Institute in Berkeley. I studied with him at one of the best hotsprings resorts I know in the US (Harbin Hotsprings).

What I learned from him and from my own experience is that abdominal massage can work not only on the physical side of things, but also on the emotional and energetic aspects of our being. Fertility issues can be physical problems, but they can also be psychological issues or a combination of both.

Abdominal massage happens to address both of these. Emotional blocks are often stored in the belly area, and I have seen dramatic releases from working the abdomen.

As you know, we can never guarantee results, and we cannot diagnose specific medical issues. However I am convinced that Chi Nei Tsang or Dancing Hands Abdominal Massage (my style or version of it) is a very viable method of stimulating both the physical and subtle energies of the body that can help address this issue, and countless other issues.

So yes, personally I would definitely give it a try. Abdominal massage is highly beneficial in general anyway, and since it is applied in the area of the reproductive organs, and in the physical and energetic center of the body, it is not exactly a far-fetched idea to assume that this might be beneficial for infertility issues.

I have had some very encouraging results with my work in the area of dis-eases which did not respond to regular medical treatments, so in my world I don’t see too many limitations.

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March 29, 2013 - 10:40 pm
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Thanks. I am going to review the abdominal course and give it a try on her. I am also open to any addtional suggestions.

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One suggestion I can think of right now is that abdominal work should start out very gently. This area is often very sensitive, and you don’t want to cause any pain. Ideally you want your client to go into a trance when you do it. Of course this takes time and practice to develop.

Initially it is good idea to get plenty of feedback from the client when you work on the abdomen. I sometimes tell my clients to look out for any emotional reactions or memories that bubble up. Often those reactions can give you a good indication as to what might be the problem.

I have had clients remember things, events or injuries that had happened many years ago and which the client had not been consciously aware of anymore. And sometimes those were exactly the original cause of a particular issue. Working with the abdomen requires quite some finesse besides getting the technique right.

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March 30, 2013 - 9:22 am
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Thanks for the advice. I will proceed gently and slowly

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March 30, 2013 - 1:00 pm
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Thank you for asking for this Mark I am also interested in the Pregnancy Massage!

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April 5, 2013 - 11:23 pm
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I will let you know how it goes.

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May 3, 2013 - 4:16 am
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Well I have done 2 thai sessions on the physical therapist trying to get pregnant. She isn’t yet and is one of those things that is hard to measure. If she gets pregnant soon after trying for so long I can say I helped. Guess I can never know for sure if the thai helped or not. She is more relaxed and looser making her more receptive anyway.   

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May 3, 2013 - 10:58 am
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Did you try the abdominal massage on her yet?

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Yes, I did quite a bit of the abdominal massage on her.

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May 4, 2013 - 10:43 pm
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That’s just one of the aspects of our profession. We often cannot know how much our work contributes to someone’s well being. It’s not as clear cut as a doctor who fixes a broken leg. But there is plenty enough experiential and scientific evidence that overall it is very beneficial. Sometimes we just have to go on faith and good intention and not get attached to specific results which we don’t have control over anyway.

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Hi, Shama, thought my post would be of interest to some of you out there!

I just worked in the side position on one of my pregnant ( 34 weeks) Yoga clients and it was a great experience for her as well as for me. Very easy to manage and get her some relief from upper back stress. She was able to relax deeply and breath comfortable while I worked on her shoulders,erector muscles, neck, back and lower leg. Then we switched her unto the other side, propped with a bolster in front of her and I repeated the sequence. “Very smooth and nicely done,” was her comment. She felt great release from upper back pressure.

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May 6, 2013 - 11:23 am
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Just curious, did you use only techniques from the Complete Thai Massage course, or did you use any other methods also?

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