March 28, 2018
Very good to hear and view this first video for having a very basic foundation before we start to learn an Asian massage a Thai HEALING massage. Now i am telling friends with adding a HEALING in between the massage. I always liked to receive the massage but not to give ( simply i didn,t know any massage. ) And i was quite choosy because i was told choose a bigger hands or with a thicker fingers etc , they are normally give you a better massage, but i was wrong until i begun learning Shiatshu massage with my Swedish classe mate who has a very small hands ( YIN in Chinese with thin fingers ), but she is the best in the class i trem of mechanical and ergonomics! Oh NO definitely nooo i wont try to do thai massage on the table, so far i havent seen it yet, must be very strange of looking it…..I gave my first 1 foot stretching to my partner, but no feedback of it because he was sleeping sorry! At the end he said Que guay in Spanish how cool! I told him i will need some real comments next time haha..Glad to learn the rocking and percussion, also kneading, though kneading is very Thai. I would like to learn more HARA with Thai approche. Being an Asian being lucky of getting use to the Japanese style sitting but everybody will get use to it just need some balance and practise of course. Shama should i practice if i am not in a good shape? because actually i have a problem of insomnia, it was also a reason why i wanted to learn massage. as you said patience will not feel my energy flow transmit to them if i,m not in a good state of energy. My touch will be TIRED as how i describe it…Referring the therapist´s positions, its must be all in a strict position ( strict back, arms etc, )whenever we lean on with our body weight?
PS : Shama i think you better call me Ten my real Chinese official name in stead of Tom to avoid the confusion.
Hi Ten, welcome to the Complete Thai Massage certification program. Please take a minute and familiarize yourself with our certification check list to make sure that it is all correctly organized:
Effective Thai Massage has nothing to do with bigger hands or thicker fingers. After all, there are many thousands of mostly female Thai Massage therapists here in Thailand who are all typical Asian females – small, light and delicate bone structure. They can do very effective work on often much larger clients. It’s all a matter of using your body correctly. This is covered very much in depth in this course.
Sleeping practice partners is a good sign in one sense, but it is not useful for feedback!
Don’t worry about not being in a perfect physical or mental state. We all have to start somewhere and improve from there. If you wait until you are all perfect, you will never get started! Plus some of us have to work around our limitations and still make the best of it. It is not about perfection, but about trying our best and improving as much as we can.
You will learn in this course how to work without getting tired and how to create good energy flow between you and the client. But it does take time to develop these skills. Don’t expect it to all work out perfectly right from the beginning, unless you were a Thai Massage master in your last life.
March 28, 2018
Thank you for your last comments of module 1. I am very patience with no hurry, but i always try not to miss any practice set up schedule. in fact I did already see somewhere in Barcelona indeed there are peoples offer Thai yoga massage. But here in Barcelona, Thai healing massage is still not yet on the booming, but i,m pretty sure it will be very soon with all the burn out job and low paid job they are having. The local patiences just need us the therapist! You are saying in video, technique is just one part of the massage, mechanical things as well. most important things are the correct ERGONOMICS, i still dont really understand the meaning, as translated by google is : the study´s of peoples efficiency in their working environament!
Shama what i understood does it means : correct teaching?? Relax & comfortable are both good fr the patience and therapist. Therapist touch is utmost touch than anything else, magic, heaven touch, it will take a lot time to develop such of fantastic touch by our heart. I tried the Chi Machine ( Qi, KI 气 in Spanish & Mandarin) with a Brazilian girl, well surprisingly it worked , i did it exactly what you teach on this video, her body was moving from the head to toe, auto back massage, this rocking motion quite she said to me at the end of the massage , was it Shiatsu new technique?? NO NO NO…. how di you felt, very fuc good! wonderful! but at the end i had difficulty to slow down her both ankles little by little gently but i will manage to control it by practice & time. I want to keep this chi machine technique inside my closet. ( so selfish ) it is so special! Yes doing massage to patiences has to be in good spirit, good mindset, certainly i want to enjoy more than working, gaining a lot of money will not my priority, rather giving good attitude to each session. Money is not everything. tomorrow i will try again with different partner, will practice the stretching, kneeling, tracción percussion etc.. all i have seen in module 1 & 2.
Here is what “ergonomics” means. Another word for it is “body mechanics”. It means that you use your body in a way which is most effective for a particular technique, in a way which requires the least effort, and in a way which is most comfortable for you and the client.
For example it means that you use body weight instead of muscle power, that you find the position which is most comfortable for you without needing to twist your body or strain your body, and that you work with the least effort necessary.
And here is what I mean with “correct teaching”. I mean that teaching should be more than just showing a technique. It should include many details of a move, it should include other elements like good body mechanics or breathing, if possible it should include variations of the technique for people of different sizes and weights, and it should include a focus on energy and not just on the anatomy of the client.
You will see all this much more in detail later on in the course.
March 28, 2018
Thank you Shama for yr previous explanation of Ergonomics. I did experience myself of an uncomfortable neck position if i am staying in Prone for more than 10mins. i guess it would be quite a similar feeling comparing with a Swedish massage table which has a head hole. Fortunately there s always some solutions and tricks.
I tried putting a flat pillow under the chest area and a little cushion ( which is not easy to find here generally in Europe, mostly its quite big cushions). Immediately i could see the good result if we add the pillow under the chest. Important Prone position which we do quite a lot of work from the head to toe, especially on the client s spine. no one would say no for spine massage.
Supine position, what is matter me is when the clients are not closing their eyes, it bother me and distract me. i dont know how do you feel. With certain practice partners i will give them an eyes cover like the one we are given during the flight. sure the light is important, least light require is most suitable.
i watched another video of how we switch the position to one another. for example from supine to side etc… we may talk them more lately…but i learned them. sometime i got feed back that during the side position, clients requested a thicker or higher cushion if the session takes sometimes to work on it. as you can see the little cushion is firm but in may not high enough for this position? i,m asking myself!!
i dont know when will i have a chance practising on a pregant woman. It must be a very big challenge! at the moment i have a partner who is recently diagnosed Paranoid schizophrenia but i sincerely hope to practice as usual like the other partners make no difference. She has just told me how nice the sitting position when i was kneeling on her lower back. so grateful to hear that despite of her sickness. just too pitiful. i wish i could help her more by THai healing massage!
Actually there are several videos in the supplementary series of this course which deal with the issues that you brought up. There is one video coming up about moving clients into the different positions, and there is another video about using cushions to simulate the face cradle of a massage table. There is also a section about Thai Massage on pregnant women. It is all coming…
March 28, 2018
There are totally 6 new techniques. 5 out of them i have never seen nor tried before. i would really want to try them soon. . Wonderful new creation Shama! Many rock and roll flowing just flowing with least stops. For this video i had my practice partner who is a curvy woman. So when i arrived on the technique shoulder figure 8 movement, it requires me a bit muscle power to move her shoulder due to her size. it is a continuos motion which i found the most difficult among the rest. Using least muscle effort in ergonomic study is a must! The easiest technique for me i would say it is the belly sandwich rock. I will have to remind my partners if they have had any big meal before this belly movement. Noted it should be moving up and down the belly area particularly the hand which is on the top. I didnt know if we could just lean down the client knee if their knees can go down completely on the mat. I always used to put a cushion underneath the knee. Generally referring about the body flexibility, i noticed often the women are more flexible than the men. Foot and ankle rotation is really has to be without any muscle effort, leaning down by our both hands one side to the other, technique shows you how we have to balance our body weight leaning down the client foot. My partner liked the lower back stretch very muchadding a little bit rocking movement makes big difference! i ll have a partner who has a lower back pain, he must try it. The last technique upper body twist is suitable to release the spine pain or contraction i suppose! i did it with putting away the pillow underneath the head. That is just very fun of learning these new style of thai massage, when it will be my turn to receive and enjoy this
I am a little confused what you are writing about. You wrote that this is about module 4 of the Complete Thai Massage course which is all about foot massage. However you write about the belly sandwich rock and upper body spinal twist. Those techniques are explained much later in the course.
You had me put the course on hold for you, so you only received module 1 and 2 so far. However you just posted about module 4, and you wrote about techniques that are taught in modules 10 or 15 – modules that you didn’t even receive yet. What am I missing here?
March 28, 2018
I have just sent you the last e mail ( 19th mar ) when i have received of total 6 modules but not only 2. The last e mail i was asking you to keep me on hold because i wanted to start from the early Apr. and i begun posting on the forum since than. I am confuse too! Can you please check Shama?
I think you figured it out. Your Complete Thai Massage course was on hold as per your request (I have reactivated it now). After you purchased the Complete Thai Massage course, you signed up for our free introductory video series, and that’s what you have been posting about, erroneously thinking that this was the actual course.
When you had told me that you were still receiving emails after I put the Complete Thai Massage course on hold for you, I unsubscribed you from the free series. So now you should only be receiving the emails for the main course.
March 28, 2018
Correct Module 3.
Starting point for the massage : Hara for the Shiatshu, warm oil for Ayuverda. Feet for Thai massage. I suppose it is also the ending point ! I hope we will talk more about the foot massage with the Sen line and some importants points which connect to our organs. How important is as you mention of our first TOUCH. How it will affect the whole 1 hour session between the therapist and the patience. If our first touch is great and gentle, we could also give smiling on our hands like the Chi Qong master teaching how to give a smile inside our organs! I tried all the foot techniques but the second one will take me or us quite sometime to get it right very certainly ( Circular foot bending & squeezing foot technique ) I think i have to learn them 1 by 1, most difficult part, it has to change our hands,s position and moving our body in clock wise circle at the same time… Learn it step by step. First circular my body, second bending out the foot 1-3-1 and third squeezing 1-3-1. Good practice will prove it soon. The first technique, opening move, it looks easy but me too i never did it. So i practiced several times trying to get it ok but not perfect yet. Next bending both foots IN at the same time. My partner seems did not enjoy it much due to his light injury of his one of his ankle, despite of i kept my back and arm straight when i leaned forward his foots. Next move was bending both feet down at the same of course it just using out body weight. It is very basic requirement. It was very clear how you show us to stretch out one of your leg underneath the client ,s leg in straight line. But when i was leaning forward pushing his foot and hip, he said i had not push harder enough while the pull back and twisting were alright so far. The last, grabbing foot but i did not forget shaking it too.
Great, now you are on track with the course. As you will see, there is a huge amount of material in this course with tons of techniques. Some are easy, and some are more challenging and will take more time to learn (like the circular foot technique).
In the next module you will get a better perspective how to put all the foot work together in a logical way. Still, it is important to remember that all the techniques are options to choose from and not mandatory sequences. So don’t look at it all as a rigid sequence, but rather as many options to include in your sessions.
I agree, smiling hands is a good way to go about it!
March 28, 2018
Correct module 4,
Alright Shama noted not to DIVE into the rigid sequence techniques. But i dont want to miss learning and practising each of them on each module courses. After that it will be my option which one i would opt to for my future clients.
Today i tried on a friend who never tried Thai massage (actually nearly most of them never tried or heard about it) So it is a great opportunity to introduce Thai healing massage in Barcelona.
about the combination of turning the ankle left and right while you’re pulling and you’re pushing at the same time on your previous module, my partner said i need to push the ankle more, the contraction part, no problem for the traction. I watched yr video over and over again for this technique, i will find out soon why and will correct it in coming days. this technique is one of my favorite.
I practiced the circular rotation technique how to loosening up the whole foot, i noticed i did it better than the last few times but still not perfect yet! Indeed thee are already quite many ways on how you work on the foot and feet only in 2 modules. I am imagining how much we will be learning until the end of the module!
Yes quite right actually i did not focus on your whole body movement on the 1-2 previous modules. Working on the sole of the foot, lean in and roll up my thumbs and twist the foot out indeed it is very relaxing. I watched it carefully about your sitting position, as you have moved out in order to show us in front of the camera. I will need to adjust a bit about my both knees position which are in front of my partner, s sole, also i will move up my partner, s leg bit higher. Important to cover the whole foot!
Next, inner and outside part of the heel, one inner side should be in counterclockwise circle plus slide up slide up …… but i agree moving both feet simultaneously is much better. Next top of the foot, find out where is the small hollow on the ankle and 4 drawn lines. But some peoples have very thin foot with thin drawn lines should not be pressed too strong in such case.
On top of the feet you can’t work very strongly anyway because it is a very bony area. So a lot of pressure there easily feels painful.
There is nothing wrong with following the foot sequence. Actually it is very useful to do that. I just mentioned this because some people get overwhelmed with so many techniques and they worry about forgetting something. So I don’t want them to be in their head, but rather in their feeling. That’s why I say to not worry so much about the sequence.
I would have thought that Thai Massage is already better known in Barcelona since it is such a popular city and people from all over the world live there. Anyway, it looks like you will be one of the pioneers of Thai Massage there.
March 28, 2018
Ha ha ….Me one of the pioneers here!! if i could be the one, it will be your correct teaching although it is an online courses. All my practice partners are curious how it is going to work, learning massage online it s so NEW!
No i don’t apply all the techniques you show but would picked up quite a lot of them and focus on them for each of the client. Sure No mandatory mechanically sequences. I tried the warm up foot on the top of thigh by butterfly move, i pressed with my body weight with back and arm straight but what a shame my partner today she is very sensitive on her quadriceps justly. I did blocked her feet, cool! Very useful by blocking the partner’s feet or knees, arm to stabilise where we want to work cool!
….all i have learned on your previous modules (foot work) it could be used too on the other upper side of the body like arm, shoulder or back.
ONE QUESTION, let say if the therapist is heavy with 80kgs or more and the client is much thinner, I’m wondering how this thin client could reeve the leaning in butterfly weight!!!
Next squeezing between fingers and thumb & roll up the calf muscle. I used my foot to block her feet which i prefer. Moving up to the medial thigh, on her inner thigh muscles (adductors). Yeah not just with my hands but with my whole body i didnt forget. But i always remind in my head, do my hands are straight, it must be all straight for most of the techniques.
About the big adductor tendon. to be honest i have not figure it out, i did ask her any pain on that tendon, she said was fine. Hmmm important note, tomorrow i ll have a real thick & strong tendon to practice on it. Next lean in and roll but using our right hand also. leaning and rolling with the left hand. But his time engage our right hand to pull up the leg. Yes me too i used my knee to stabilise her leg & it worked well. certainly it must be very nice by this heavenly technique. I picked it up and will practice more until ok.
Next outer (lateral) thigh. You can stabilise your partner’s foot with your foot which i did . outer side of the leg, squeezing and rolling up with my thumbs , covering the whole outer with all fingers plus body weight movement. Pretty similar with the calf muscles. Noted on the inner thigh, we worked two lines on the inner thigh. But one line on the outer thigh.
You are right, many of the techniques which you learn in the beginning can be applied on various parts of the body. That makes it easier for the later part of the course. It’s not all brand new techniques throughout the entire course.
Regarding you question – just because you might weigh 80 kilos doesn’t mean that you have to use this entire weight on a light and skinny person. You can control how much weight you apply by how much you shift your body. It is easily possible to use very little body weight, even if you weigh quite a lot.
March 28, 2018
Here we are another warm up leg with very different techniques by using forearm in stead of thumbs. Justly i has hurt a bit my right thumbs my self few days ago. Therefore i should give my thumb some rest for a few days. it s annoying but it s my treasure.
After having tried almost all of yours new techniques, at the end of the practice i had my left leg which was cramp due to the long time sitting position slide under my partner ,s leg. I believe it was due to myself my own body indeed need more flexibility to work on this.
the 1st technique how to relax the leg by rocking back movement & back fort free. Right hand stay in the same place. push has to be bit faster in order to let the leg snap back on it s own. 2nd- to put partner ,s leg a bit turn out in order to work on the inside of the medial quadriceps muscles. Good to find out where is the inside SEN line 1.Important note NOT to use my arm to press down, only with my whole body leaning in a soft way.
next is to work a little lower inside of the thigh. No problem to lock his foot with my sole foot. Ok i found out the groove which i never worked on it before. but still cant work properly with my forearm when i had to move up close to the knee, My partner ,s thigh was not long but i had to move up my lower leg otherwise it will be uncomfortable for us both.
I noticed whenever my position is right and comfortable my partner will feel the same way. Same feeling for the rest of the Sen line 3, outside line 2 etc..The most difficult technique is to use my upper arm & place it against outside of his thigh.. It s tough!!!. Certainly it is a very cool technique once upon you mastered it….
Much easier on the next , putting 45 degree angle position working on the outside line 2. On the elephant walking, sure it could be painful of grabbing the calf muscle with an incorrect position or without controlling my body weight. somehow i like this technique a lot after my second practice. Pull it up a bit the muscle will be very different felling too.
The whole trick about working on the outside line #2 is to let your body do the work. If you try to muscle this one, it will be very difficult. But if you squeeze the client’s leg between your body and your upper arm, it is quite easy to do.
That’s really the secret for all those techniques – to not muscle them and use your body weight. If you play with them for a while and find out what feels easy and comfortable, you will find that it becomes very easy to do.
March 28, 2018
Many of my male practice partners are not as flexible as the female. Either they are only flexible and relaxed on one side but not on both. Fortunately by watching your module we always could fix it. Good to learn that why some of the foots are pointing up due to locked up on the hip. I think i have 1 partner who has a hip which is higher than the other hip, i want to check it out by the guidance you have showed. Very useful explanation on the rest of the unusual feet position of the clients why its straight up, can or cannot be bent in or out etc…. Hence now i understood that what kind of restrictions we face to certain stiff body clients. I hope you will show us more on the other part of the body about the restriction technique on the client.
It s fine, i like the elephant walking technique. How we shift on our body left and right. I pay more attention of the calf muscle of my partners whenever i am leaning in by controlling my body weight, if not it could cause some pain as well as on the thigh if someone has a stiff hip. Using back again our butterfly position on the thigh. But i always prefer to put a pillow under my partner ,s knees despite their knees can completely touch down on the mat floor. Next, how to push forward my both foots instead of one ( i knew this technique but only using one leg ) . Now with both legs , the feed back was positive I will use it very often. And always to remember mathematically one thing 1,2,3,2,1 and back to 2 etc….
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