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Stacey Fluker-Thai Yoga Massage for Sciatica
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I am excited for this course.  The first two videos/modules were short and to the point and filled with much information!  I enjoy the every other day schedule however, I wished that I had known that before registering because I would have registered early in the day so that I could get my work in the morning and work on it throughout the day instead of in the evening.  But I will make due!  I am going to sign up for some of the other courses as well.  I love laning and I love doing it independently.  I am a homeschool, stay at home, work from home mama and these programs fit well into my lifestyle.  

 

As of right now, I have no questions pertaining to the modules, but will as the year arise.  Give thanks for this forums and these courses!

Peace and blessings

Stacey

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Hi Stacey, welcome to our forum community. It sounds like this style of learning fits you perfectly.

Yes, the modules show up pretty much in 24 hour intervals from when you originally purchased. I can’t change it either since it is all an automated process.

Also, to get the initial formalities out of the way, please take a moment and familiarize yourself with our certification check list to make sure we are on the same wave length:

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MODULE 1:

I began this course to shed more light on an issue that I have come into contact more often than normal…sciatica.  And although I know what I know, I know I do not know it all and wanted to learn more specifics of sciatica and how to work with incorporating Thai yoga with it. As, a LMT, I learned the technical aspects and so this module was a great review and refresher course for me.

It has given me time to think about our lifestyle here in the states and how little movement we do on a daily basis and how I think the rise of sciatica or even pain that mimics sciatic is definitely due to our more sedentary lifestyle.  Because Thai Yoga is a holistic practice, instead of just determining the what of said issue, I am also about concerned with the how, why and what can we do to not land you (the client) back here for the same reason…unless it is being caused by age, pregnancy, or specific health related challenges.

I am interested in assisting my clients with pain management and relief, but also accountability in taking charge of their health.

Anyway, this first module ws a gret review and also gave me forward thought on possible workshops to introduce in the work place to help eliminate or at the very least reduce this issue.

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MODULE 2: 

HAHAHA!  I had a client today with a confirmation from their doctor that they are dealing with sciatica…I would love to incorporate some of what I learn with them.  So, I was able to recall a bit faster the information from both Modules.  In this particular module you taught about testing for sciatic, now although my client did have confirmation from the doctor, I was able to still test and see the range of motion and if any referred pain was present.  Speaking from my last post the combination of the physical and the psychological benefits you listed really tied into the holistic approach that I love about Thai!  

I am looking forward to my next module in about thirty mins…

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“I am also about concerned with the how, why and what can we do to not land you (the client) back here for the same reason”
You will really like the final module which is all about self-help exercises which you can give to your clients, so that they won’t always depend on permanent massage rescue sessions. I am all for helping clients to help themselves.

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This course was very timely as yesterday was day four of our seven day Thai Yoga protocol, with the client with sciatica.  It was the prone day and although we had the session before I received this module it confirmed the extra rocking that I incorporated was important.  I didn’t use the heel of the hand (I used my foot and elbow) , but I plan to in the future.  I really look forward to implementing the simultaneous rocking and moving up and down the erector muscle and away from and toward the erector muscle.  I did do a lot of glut rocking however, I used my elbow, mostly because the client had larger gluts,what are your thoughts about using the elbow?  I did make sure my posture was as efficient as possible considering the angle.  I used my right elbow with the left side of my client(and reversed on the other side)  while stabilizing her upper body with my left hand as I rocked and firmly dug into her gluts all around her sacrum, trochanter and that meaty area up under the glut against the sitz bone.

I like the addition elements to using the foot, the moving the foot up and down the erector muscle after significant rocking in one area.  And I wouldn’t have thought to use the heel of the foot on the gluts. But I will use both.  Thank you for those extra tools for my toolkit.

I imagine that this rocking technique would feel heavenly to a woman who suffers from menstrual pain.

The “door hinge” reference in explaining the importance of working the muscles prior to stretching was very clear and will aid as a reminder for me.  

I personally LOVE rocking…a lot of rocking and unless I have been asked not to, I do do a lot of rocking with my clients.  

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I am as big a rocking fan as you are! I use it a lot.

Sure, you can use the elbow on the glutes. You can use elbows on lots of body parts as long as you have enough sensitivity developed to gauge the intensity.  

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March 26, 2017 - 9:13 am
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Haha, every time I typed GLUTE it always changed it to FLUTE so I just ended up typing glut…lol this auto correct is funny!

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MODULE 4: 

I appreciated the elbow examples, especially since I have used mine a few days ago!  The lamina groove technique I will be using  and it is good to know about the wiggle range.  This video was a bit shorter than the others but I learned more about elbow techniques which gave me confidence for using them on my clients.

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Once you get good at using elbows, you will find that you have a lot of power with little effort which is always a good thing in any massage! Elbows can be used in a very sensitive and gentle way as well. They are not just a power tool.

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MODULE 5:

Thank you, thank you , thank you!  These sacrum and gluteus rocking and leaning techniques!  I was really prepared for them and you definitely delivered above and beyond!  I never thought about my knee being used as a tool!  Makes sense, especially with a larger client!  I absolutely love Thai and the range it provides is infinite!  With this module I learned more about using the elbow, using the forearm, the knees, the hands, the thumbs and the fingertips.  Depending upon the body type of the client, the needs they have and the pressure each client can withstand will determine which “tool” will be best for me (the practitioner) will use.

I will practice my transitions from one move to the next as well as which technique flows best with another.  I did have a question, how would a flow routine look with all of this combined…or do you suggest incorporating some of these techinques with the flow as needed?  I Ama just trying to visualize how and when I could incorporate some of the techniques with the flow I have learned already.  Any suggestions?  Thank you again!  Really enjoyed this module…getting ready for module 6.

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MODULE 6:

more really great techniques to incorporate into my routine just now on the hamstrings.  I think the “time lapse” technique is a wonderful one to use on women who have just given birth!  I have had mama’s tell me that their glutes are so tight and I have used certain variations of my palms and thumbs but never My forearm and so I will definitely try this. 

I have wondered what kind of modifications could be made for clients who feel uncomfortable in prone with their head to one side, so this face cradle for prone position is right on time.  I also was not aware of placing pillows under the ankle when working on the hamstring, but I can see how that relieves pressure off the knees.

I was wondering if the best time to begin the rocking/stretching techniques, during a routine, is the directly after you return the client to second supine session…right after prone?  Or do the second supine techniques and then do the stretches before moving to the supine leg stretches (half leg and straight leg).

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Regarding the flow routine – when I do therapy work I generally don’t use a specific sequence but just do what I feel is needed for a particular issue. I don’t try to turn this into a sequence but instead prefer a more intuitive approach where I let the client’s body guide me.

In general I am not a big fan of routines. It is good to know a routine, but in actual practice I don’t necessarily stick to it. I find it more interesting and rewarding to work in a more spontaneous way. I like to tailor sessions to the clients instead of fitting the client into my routine. This is how my therapy sessions work most of the time.

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Thank you, question do you do puja and the warm up at the beginning and end of your sessions?  Just curious, I have never gone to Thailand so I wonder how strict is that?

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I imagine that with puja you are referring to a prayer, is this what you mean? If so, I don’t do this and I don’t teach others to do it. I don’t like to mix Thai Massage with a religious overtone, especially since most of my students are not Buddhists.

Some therapists in Thailand do offer a short prayer to the founder of Thai Massage, Shivaka Komarpaj, before the session, but this is nothing strict or mandatory. Unless someone has grown up in a Buddhist culture, this type of thing generally doesn’t resonate with western therapists, and it would turn some of them off. So I stay away from this.

People should decide on their spiritual or religious practices on their own, I feel. This is not something that I would include in a training course for western therapists. Thai Massage is a therapy, not a religion. Here in Thailand it is more tied to Buddhist culture, but this doesn’t translate so well into western environments, and it doesn’t have to.

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Agreed, the format in which we learned puja was paying homage to our teachers nd their teachers no religion but paying respect to the founder Shivaka.  It was never taught as a religion, however, bring the breath to center clearing away any negative energy and invoking the energy of healing can be looked at as meditative and I have had no problems with client support in the centering and paying respects.  I guess if I had learned it as a prayer then maybe.

I too agree to stay away from religion, I respect others religious beliefs but I do not practice nor follow my religion.

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This topic is kind of a hot potato. I have had Christian students who had a big issue with any elements of Thai Massage that seemed to be connected to Buddhism. So rather than getting involved in mellowing it out, or downplaying it, or explaining it, or justifying it, or arguing about it, I just totally avoid this subject and let everyone make up their own minds if they want to explore a Buddhist related connection or not.

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Cool.  No problem. I am curious about your two “magic/heavenly”  (the Heavenly head Massage and the magic touch classes) courses though and it seems almost impossible to not incorporate that spirit innergy into that.  I definitely am feeling inclined to those as well.  

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These two courses touch deeply on spirit/mind/energy concepts. I just don’t connect it to any apparent Buddhist concepts in order not to touch anyone’s religious sensitivities. You are right, these two courses wouldn’t work without the energetic concept. Actually the entire Thai Massage system doesn’t work right without the energetic concept because that’s what it is based on.

There are teachers who introduce their students to Buddhist prayers and concepts, and specific persons like Shivaka, but this is something I stay away from. However energetic concepts are a universal thing and have nothing to do with any particular religion. You will find references to energy concepts throughout all my courses, and especially the two you mentioned.

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MODULE 7:

*I have been out of town unplugged! Just returned.

With this module, I am very excited to practice and incorporate with my clients as well as receive it myself.  So, I am working with and on my husband (he is also a Thai practitioner) so that he too can learn these techniques for me.  I cannot say enough how valuable these stretches and techniques are for women who have recently carried a baby and given birth.  I have a mama who has really severe and intense sciatica during her pregnancy and just incorporating these stretches will be very beneficial.  Do you have any suggestions for any modifications (if there are any) for a mother who is pregnant other than pillow placements.  Is there  anything else you experienced or can think of that may need to shift when working on a pregnant mama?

Each of the piriformis stretches and the stretches that engage and balance the piriformis are pretty straight forward.  I can feel the resistance and see how moving ever so slowly and gently is important.  You mentioned doing these techniques for “some time” how would you gauge how to determine an effective length of time.  By feel?

The “dropping of the knee” test is an excellent way to see how far their range of motion is. 

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