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August 5, 2015 - 11:04 am
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mod 25 prone back 2

after tenderizing the esg in mod 24 we move into some nice deeper work with erector leaning and rocking. leaning into the traps from a half lunge felt good to the client and I tired a variety of angles around the traps and shoulders with leaning pressure and arm supported by my leg. The pressing down on the erectors with elbows in the laminar groove was one of Lori's favorites and is easily adaptable to the table so I will start using that on clients this week.

Knees in the back turned out to be very nice work - broader and smoother than a fist with nice body weight to compress and flatten the esg. I also found some nice angles into the hips with knees from the side that are different than working from the top. Lori couldn't take the max power move so I'll have to find a bigger client to test that on.

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August 5, 2015 - 11:12 am
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mod 26 prone back 3

at first I thought sliding the knee under the shoulder and work the esg with forearms would strain my back but it was completely comfortable and I quickly figure out how sitting in Thai seat or with the outside leg extended controlled the amount of pressure going into the press. The 45 degree work was quite nice and picked a perfect angle for the esg at the scapula. Lori enjoyed the scapula work and I can see how I will need to play with those moves on different scapulas to perfect the skill of it.

I couldn't quite get the galloping rhythm so I guess I'm still an elephant for now. (I can't dance either) I often combine kneeling on the glutes with elephant walking the esg on both sides of the spine.

We use a breast bolster for Lori that really helps for her physique image link below

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Thursday I leave for 5 days of massage training with James Waslaski so I will start falling behind again on the mods.

Take care Shama.

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August 5, 2015 - 7:53 pm
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Tenderizing the meat, hehe, that's a good one.

Regarding the breast bolster, in the US you can get all these fancy props. Here in Thailand there is none of that, so we have to improvise a bit more to get the same effects.

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August 18, 2015 - 7:28 am
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mod 27 prone upper back

Spent 5 days learning Orthopedic massage with James Waslaski - amazing work but very clinical in nature. Then Lori went to Texas so now we are both home so I can be back at Thai training.

Working the traps - can't go wrong there usually lots of trigger points. I found the opposition of knees and hands a nice way to leverage behind the scapula. Since Lori uses a breast bolster I had to be careful where my upper knee went in so it would not be uncomfortable.

The transition from shoulder stretch to spinal twist was awkward to execute - guess that will just take more time. I tired sitting on my ankles and sitting on the mat and neither was 100% comfortable.

The first cobra position seemed to have more of my crotch on the client than I like so I think I will use number 2 position mostly. The power position with Lori was challenging as we both have an ape index (our arms spread are more than our body height) so I had to be laying rather far back to begin the lift.

Percussion on the back felt good to client - I avoided the kidney area as my massage textbooks and instructors say not to do tapotement in that area.

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August 18, 2015 - 7:35 am
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mod 28 prone summary

love the summaries fun to do it all in sequence. Since you only show one side for time purposes something that would be really helpful is to indicate when in the sequence you would go back and do the other side - it was not always obvious to me.

rocking against the buttocks was nice - I do a move where I press the hamstring attachments into the Ischium in the same spot. While doing the forearm work on hamstrings I felt I could mirror the top hand and work lines on the lower leg at the same time, I tried both simultaneous press and rolls and alternating like the elephant walking movement between forearm rolls on upper and lower leg.

Lori particularly liked the knee "leaning on the calf muscle" though I'm pretty sure it's actually the Soleus we are compressing.

The continuous motion back work gets easier every time I do it, but the gallop rhythm still confounds me.

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August 18, 2015 - 5:19 pm
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You seem to be doing a good job adjusting techniques whenever necessary or useful.

I largely avoided specific anatomy in the Complete Thai Massage course since I didn't want students to get into the mindset that Thai Massage is all about working on people's anatomy. I wanted them to learn how to develop a feeling for moving energy around along with the body parts.

I get more into specific anatomical details in several of my therapy courses. My concern has always been that western therapists will have the tendency to westernize Thai Massage just like yoga has been turned into a mere exercise routine frequently instead of a mechanism to develop higher consciousness.

You might want to read my take on this issue:

Do Thai Massage Therapists Need To Know Anatomy?

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Mod 29 side position 1

Hi Shama just back from John Barnes 3 day Myofascial Release 1 class. Interesting and effective but not as fun as Thai Massage! 

I combined mod 29-31 on one side and then switched to the other side and repeated.

I tried palm the straight leg in a few ways and my favorite was to start at ankle and hip working in toward knee and then back out one hand on upper leg and one on lower.

I had done the sitting on inner thigh blood stop before but not with the getting up and back done variety.

Strange that I never thought to do palm circling on the side hip which is an excellent way to warm up the hip before using forearms. This technique will also make it into my work on a table. 

I found it hard to gauge the thigh adductor stretch and on my client it caused some discomfort in the lower back so we took it easy.

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mod 30 side position 2

Elephant walking on back and thumbs to follow are nice for sideline. For heel of hand on esg I heel both the upper and lower esg as it is quite a nice angle into those muscles.

To get into the spinal twist I found it easier at first to not pin the thigh and rock back and forth first pressing shoulder and then thigh and after a good amount of the stretch is there to pin both and press away.

The hip flexor and bow stretches are always favorites and I like the use of knees at various points in the glutes.

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mod 31 side position 3

The shoulder circling on sideline is quite nice - I have been favoring sideline for the hip work especially tensor fasciae latae work but I do like the shoulder work on sideline.

On the shoulder circling with trap work I found the outside hand was always better for getting the traps.

The arm circling with shoulder stretch was hard with my client who kept trying to help me. Whenever that happened I would just stop and reverse directions or shake the arm until she let go, and then continued.

Not sure what is coming next but I removed the head pillow and pulled back on the shoulder to incorporate a nice trapezius stretch after the shoulder stretches.

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September 1, 2015 - 10:51 pm
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True, it's hard to beat Thai Massage in the fun department.

On that particular move you mentioned, for some reason clients often try to "help". I have had this same issue many times.

With all your studies you must be building up an impressive repertoire of massage skills.

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September 4, 2015 - 11:20 am
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mod 32 - side 4

shoulder work - yummy I do like working the shoulder side line. I found the finger method and scapula lift preferable over the thumb use but my client had access to get behind the scapula more than most. I found that half lunging on the back side allowed my to brace my fingers better without lifting - and I can see this would vary with larger clients.

I learned a different arm traction over head which involves interlacing fingers and lunging overhead without bracing the shoulder. The move feels deeper and was preferred by the client.

client liked the cross hands on lats and shoulder rocking

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September 4, 2015 - 11:24 am
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mod 33 seated 1

I often start the seated work by pressing straight down on traps trying one of 3 hand positions: fingers forward, fingers to side or fingers toward back. In general I feel this causes the client to have to work to resist the motion even though I support the back with knees. I agree this is not the way to end a session.

The lemon squeeze on the neck is brilliant love it and so does the client. When doing the back bend I usually slowly alternate pressure and press into the back which is deeper than the rocking - maybe the rocking would be a good warmup. 

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September 4, 2015 - 11:29 am
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mod 34 seated 2

client liked the stretch with hands interlaced on my neck - it felt comfortable but I noticed coming back up was work because of my weak core - need to do those sit-ups! 

I liked the half lunge work - I use a method supporting the shoulder and working on the same side but working on the opposite side seems to support the client more though it is not as easy to work the whole area. This improves with the head on the leg position. For my client her neck was a bit bent and not as neutral as your client in the video, but she said she was comfortable so rock on.

I like the move where you have clients interlaced hands behind their neck and place a knee on their hip and bend them over it with your armpit to theirs and cross stretch the lats and palm press the erectors - this is a crowd pleaser. 

until next time Shama - God bless you

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mod 35 client communication

no bodywork on this one but a very important topic! If you can't communicate well you will not learn what your client wants so you can give it to them and have high satisfaction. Explaining more with new first timers is more important with Thai massage. I like explaining that we are working as a team and what there role is during the session. The 1-10 scale is a great tool but I never thought about the concept that it puts control in their hand - BRILLIANT! I've learned you need to ask about pressure a number of times and in a way that they are likely to answer such as "would you like more or less pressure here" 

I think good therapists educate their clients on every visit on some aspect of massage so that over time they develop a greater understanding of its many many benefits.

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September 4, 2015 - 11:40 am
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Shama I have "art of thai massage" 2 and 3 but seem to be missing module 1 - I looked in my email folders but don't see it maybe I accidentally deleted it could you please resend that to me - thanks

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I emailed you the access link to module 1 of The Art Of Thai Massage.

Question: When you registered for the certification program, you chose the CE certification. However it seems that you never completed the process. Part of the CE certification is a set of test questions which are required by the NCBTMB. The access link is in the certification section of your course manual.

As of now, you qualify for the International Certificate. If you want the CEUs, you would need to complete the test questions.

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September 7, 2015 - 5:36 am
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Shama:

Do I keep posting to this thread for magic touch secrets, body mastery, art of Thai massage etc?

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September 7, 2015 - 8:27 pm
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Technically you don't have to since you did all the posting that's required for the certification. However if you would like to keep posting, that would be great. I rarely get feedback on the rest of the modules.

So how about what I mentioned in my previous post? As of now I can send you the International Certificate. If you want the CEUs, you would have to do the test question thing to comply with NCBTMB.

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