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Randy Hill - Complete Thai Massage Course - Expanding Knowledge
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July 24, 2015 - 12:29 pm
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Sounds like a great trip. Ralph is a good teacher.

You will probably find most of the nuggets which you are not familiar with a little later in the course after the more commonly known sequences. Anyway, it sounds to me like you are pursuing a super comprehensive Thai Massage education.

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July 27, 2015 - 9:18 am
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mod 13 Hip Final

It was good to review the hip pie as an easy way to remember all the ways to work the hip. I liked the philosophy approach to not saying your sorry but instead work on the issue by scooping, fingertip circling, or fingertip wiggling. I use the 1-10 method but had not really thought out how much control it gives the client and how it helps them recognize a pain reduction. Though in the last sentence I should use the word discomfort instead of pain!

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July 27, 2015 - 9:23 am
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mod 14 hip rocking

Wow I cannot do the crossing over the clients move as I cannot put that weight on my toes without great pain. I know from the exercises Deon gives his class that I need to work on my toe flexibility.

I like the rocking the hips moves and have been using the side of the hip version for years. Lori says the direct pressure on the hips feels a little different and she likes them both. She loves the back arch stretches but I found they are hard on my back though I'm using the correct form so i will have to use those with care. The back arch that includes the quad and hip flexors frightened her a bit because of concern for her knees so took it slow on that one.

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mod 15 abdomen and chest

The belly work put her to sleep so it must have a very calming effect. I learned a few different belly techniques that I like better and I imagine those are part of content on the additional stomach work video. Lori felt that most woman would view the sternum work as suspect especially the sternum rocking which she said would make most women think you just want to stare at their wiggling breasts. Think I will use that one sparingly. I do believe the work could be most useful for those that need intercostal work and I would combine it with rib cage compression and working the rib lines.

The elephant walking on the shoulders is very similar to a "cat pressing" move I have learned. The work around the collarbone is usually pretty effective on folks and one not to be missed.

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In my 16 year Thai Massage career most of my clients have always been women. I am pretty sure that none of them ever thought that I wanted to stare at their wiggling breasts. This is a matter of the energy you project. If your vibes are clean and professional, that's what your client will feel.

Anyway, you can replace the sternum wiggle with slow circling motions or just skip the move. Remember that all techniques are options to choose from and not mandatory sequences that you do on every single client.

And yes, my separate Abdominal Massage course goes much more in depth than what I show in the Complete Thai Massage course. Mostly I don't like the traditional abdominal techniques which are taught in Thai Massage schools which involve deep, linear, sustained and often painful pressure. My abdominal techniques are more based on Chi Nei Tsang than on Thai Massage.

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July 29, 2015 - 8:54 am
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mod 16 shoulders

I like these shoulder rotation moves - I noticed some discomfort in my lower back while doing the moves over and over but in a real session there would be a lot less actual time in the position and I just need to be doing more yoga. I have been doing a 70 minute yoga session 3-4 times a week now to increase my flexibility especially in legs and feet. I also noticed that sitting on your heel is important for the larger breasted client as it raises the angle of your arm to reduce grazing.

I know the arm triangle shoulder stretch but did not realize moving the hand up a bit deepened the stretch and it works much better and reduces sliding of the hand.

I had never pinned the arm when doing arm swinging and Lori seemed to like it better pinned and swung.

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mod 17 arms and hands

for me these are variations of work I already do and many of my clients prefer feet on the arms so I do the detailed lines with the ball of my foot.

Sliding off the hand was a new move and Lori liked it. She also liked the pull squeeze slide with traction on the hands. I try to protect my thumbs by using them less so the detailed line work I may do with straight fingers instead or braced thumbs. I noticed the hand work as shown uses a lot of thumb work which I try to avoid so I always look for variants to do that work without thumbs - but sometimes a thumb is what you need to use.

I like the traction finger stretch. For the wrist shaking I normally lift the clients arm up and do the shake more vigorously.

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Mod 18 Shoulders Transitions

The transition over the top of the body is easy for me which is good since the other transition is too difficult for me to do at the moment. For the double arm traction move over head Deon taught us another way by bouncing the shoulders on the mat with some speed and Lori seemed to prefer that over the version with alternating traction.

The spinal twists feel wonderful to receive. I prefer to be in a half lunge over the client to reduce pulling on my back. It also seems to give me a better angle for pulling and results in a deeper twist. A variant I also use is to move both hands down the spine at same time which twists other areas, and I add soft clapping to the back. 

Lori didn't appreciate the Figure 8 shoulder move but it was fun to do anyway. 

I am really enjoying all the different ways you are presenting - there are many more than I thought I experience.

Thank you Shama.

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The figure 8 shoulder move is a technique I learned from a Breema training. I liked it and incorporated it into my Thai Massage. Actually there are a couple more Breema techniques in my courses. 

I have never been a Thai Massage purist and I believe in doing what works, even if it is not part of traditional Thai Massage. There are hundreds of moves in Thai Massage and probably hundreds of additional variations which Thai Massage practitioners and teachers came up with.

I see it all as options to choose from, and the more options we have, the better for us. Some techniques we might like better than others, some we might modify a bit, others works for some clients but not for others. It's all part of this wonderfully creative system that is generally called Thai Massage, but can take on very individual characteristics in the hands of therapists.

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Mod 19 Summary 2

Thank you for the summary mods it is nice to string a number of moves together and work in a flow. I find it easy to assimulate most of the new moves. The figure 8 is still a bit tricky for me and I have figured a way to transition across the mid line of the body fairly smoothly. The arm and hand work flows smoothly and is easy to remember. The spinal twists i still need to stop and think about a bit.

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Mod 20 Prone Legs 1

the elbow to foot work is nice and is a nice alternative to fists in the feet when they are on the mat. Traction and contraction of the leg is nice and even a little rotation if possible to break up and joint capsule adhesions. While the lower leg is vertical for the calf stretch I could also add in feet pounding which feels good. 

Thank you for the grab and roll technique when elephant walking the legs it feels much better than just the straight compression push.

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July 30, 2015 - 6:24 am
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Question Thai Rocking

Shama I remember when signing up I was able to pick a bonus module and I remember picking the Thai Rocking course. Do those come after the current course?

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July 30, 2015 - 8:25 am
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You can get the Thai Rocking Massage course whenever you like. There are still 20 modules to come in the Complete Thai Massage course, so just let me know whenever you feel you can handle it without going into overwhelm mode with too many videos arriving.

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July 31, 2015 - 12:34 pm
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mod 21 prone legs 2

thank you for the tip to rotate the knees in that will help with some clients.

When sitting between the legs I found a Thai seat position to be more comfortable instead of having the lower leg up it still provided a good bolster for the leg an knee and I still had control of the leg. If I'm comfortable I can pass the comfort on. It was interesting how many lines I could reach from this position and I even tried adapting another move you taught earlier by pressing in with the elbow using the other hand to press in to reach even further around the leg.

For the prone leg triangle stretch I used a variant where I raised the other leg to trap the foot against the thigh and timed my rocking to both stretch that leg while working the thigh.

Lori said the use of the patella tendon on the lower leg felt great. The power stretch version leaning hard into the greater trochanter region was also enjoyable for her.

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July 31, 2015 - 12:37 pm
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yes I'm still behind on videos and catching up - I just received 31 and just finished practicing 21 so I think I will wait on the rocking vids. I'm working the next two days so not likely I will do more mods until Sunday.

I pulled the business permit this week for a mobile Thai massage business I started with two other therapists you can check out our website at MyThaiMassage.com

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I assume that this website is not quite finished yet, right? Some things don't have content or don't work right.

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mod 22 prone legs 3

I like combining the rocking single leg heel to butt stretch with working tibalis anterior - I found be experimenting that you can switch knees and also work the medial line. 

It took a few positions for me to find the right way to pin the clients foot into my armpit for the hip flexor/quad stretch. For me it work better with my lunged leg being further back and that also put less strain on my back.

Love knee to glutes work and the rocking up and down and side to side is sure to be a new favorite of mine.

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mod 23 Sacrum

I have done elbow work on the sacrum in the past similar in location to this work. The rocking sacrum work and hip rocking was interesting. I can visualize how we could combine all the rocking style movements you are presenting into one session and I bet it would be absolutely mesmerizing if done with a nice flow.

I saw in James Waslaski's work that a study shows 30 seconds or more of percussion on the glutes can help result in improved muscle resting lengths in the area. So I try and do percussion for at least 30 seconds when I use it on the glutes.

Lori was asleep at the end of this work and she said from now on she will just listen to your soothing voice when she wants to go to sleep - so now you have another way to market your videos!

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I will try running an ad campaign for "Difficulties falling asleep? Just use my courses."  Laugh

And definitely, by all means you should come up with your own adjustments and improvements for what works best for you. That's the hallmark of a creative therapist. I show what works well for me, but that doesn't mean that the exact same way will work best for you too.

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August 5, 2015 - 10:58 am
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mod 24 prone back 1

I agree that leaning straight down with thumbs and palms will lead to pain and injury - i adapted those moves to use a fist or gorilla knuckles - though after doing mod 26 I like the knees too.

Stringing together the rhythm of big palm circles to small rapid circles to rapidly rocking back and forth to rapidly rocking up and down to offset wiggling was hypnotic - I felt like I thoroughly tenderized the meat! All came easy to me except the offset wiggling which I really struggled with - I found I could do it much better at a slow pace but at the faster speed I choked a bit. I found circles of 5 worked for my rhythm and I don't know what it was for offset wiggle maybe 3. 

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