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Hi, first thing I'd like to say thank you for thai course you offered, i'm so happy that i found your website and signed up last week, since then i've learn from your videos and all in good resolution, clear, and easy to follow. I've had online learning before but wasn't this good so i'm bit sceptical when signed up but lucky i did. I'm a massage therapist in Australia from 2016 and I enjoy to learn and gain more knowledge and skill in many more different kind of massage. in Thai massage it self I have been working in Thai massage business which gave me training and insight of Thai massage but i love to know more and get deeper knowledge of techniques and certification

 

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I don't mind for anatomy as i've learn before on my diploma. I'm so agree with you that as therapist we have touch that connecting to the receiver, there are many occasion when i'm not in good state mind or emotion ex anxious, worry, nervous or any unstable emotion that customer can actually tell the touch wasn't as good as normally i perform when i'm in stable state of mind. 

i like your principle of good breathing during massage to synchronize with client and good way to flowing your energy  

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I need to work with my ergonomic as you saying we should make our body comfortable and not work our muscle unnecessary, sometimes i have client very big and chucky and give me pressure that my body weight should able give me some strength for them to feel good so before i start it i already feel anxious so i need to work on it, but honestly i love giving massage and when i know i make my clients feel better just make me happier than the amount money i actually received. 

regarding chi machine, i have tried couples times to my hubby but i may not do it right enough, as he is big man with big muscle and i find it bit hard to get all of his body moving ( i'm around 42 kg while he's over 110 kg). when i lifted high enough i can get more his body moving but it gets heavy to hold for sometimes

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Hi Nimadeanita, welcome to the Complete Thai Massage certification program. Please take a minute to familiarize yourself with our certification checklist to make sure that it is all correctly organized.

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Regarding your problems getting the Chi Machine to work on your husband - with such a big weight difference, this will be hard to do. Not every technique will work well on every client. However in Thai Massage there are so many techniques that there is always something that will work.

Throughout this course you will see that I show many modifications for working on different sizes and weights of clients. After you learn them all, you will be able to choose what works on a particular client and skip those techniques that will not work on a particular person. That's the art and the creativity of the Thai Massage system.

You will run into several techniques that you won't be able to do with your husband or other people who are much larger than you are. Rather than feeling discouraged about that, know that even if you have to skip some techniques, there are plenty that you can do.

You will learn how to use your body weight very effectively and work with many different body parts to take the stress off your hands. 

In Thailand the average Thai Massage therapist is a woman who weighs around 50 kg and many times less than that. They are still able to do very effective work even on much larger clients, and you will learn that as well. We have had several students in our program who weigh less than 50 kg, and who have become very good at Thai Massage. Smile

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Hi Nimadeanita, welcome to the Complete Thai Massage certification program. Please take a minute to familiarize yourself with our certification checklist to make sure that it is all correctly organized.

Certification Checklist

Regarding your problems getting the Chi Machine to work on your husband - with such a big weight difference, this will be hard to do. Not every technique will work well on every client. However in Thai Massage there are so many techniques that there is always something that will work.

Throughout this course you will see that I show many modifications for working on different sizes and weights of clients. After you learn them all, you will be able to choose what works on a particular client and skip those techniques that will not work on a particular person. That's the art and the creativity of the Thai Massage system.

You will run into several techniques that you won't be able to do with your husband or other people who are much larger than you are. Rather than feeling discouraged about that, know that even if you have to skip some techniques, there are plenty that you can do.

You will learn how to use your body weight very effectively and work with many different body parts to take the stress off your hands. 

In Thailand the average Thai Massage therapist is a woman who weighs around 50 kg and many times less than that. They are still able to do very effective work even on much larger clients, and you will learn that as well. We have had several students in our program who weigh less than 50 kg, and who have become very good at Thai Massage. Smile

  

Thank you for your support and advise 

yes these days I try to not feeling intimidated by customers body appearance and just relax and enjoy doing the massage and giving my best

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Module 3 

Foot massage is great way to start massage and very beneficial to whole body, I’m agree with you there’s plenty points on the feet that when we massage on will give great effect on customer massage overall. the first technique was easy and comfortable however when I tried the second technique which rotates, bend and squish in the same time while our body also moving with the same rhythm I feel bit awkward maybe because I just tried couple times and my hubby foot are not flexible either, when pushing bend down I couldn’t get toes point down as much as you do ( 3 rd techniques) maybe when I practise much more will get better, or he’s feet not flexible?

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First of all this is a rather difficult technique to learn, and second it might well be that your husband's feet are on the stiff side and make this technique harder to do than it is on my flexible model in the course video. There will always be big variations between different clients and how they react to techniques. Some techniques work great on one person, but not so well on another. 

In Thai Massage there are hundreds of techniques and modifications, and the art is to use the ones that fit a particular client best, and not do a one-size-fits-all session. All this will become very clear in this course.

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Yes 100% agree. 
I have tried to my 2 girlfriends and actually much more comfortable for me and them as well not awkward as I did to my hubby

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Good experience. That will probably happen with quite a few techniques. Large and stiff men are almost always harder to work on than women in general.

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the way of foot massage its pretty easy to remember especially as i'm taking a lot of client for combination swedish and deep tissue when it comes to foot massage that's  pretty much what i always do. although most of the time i didn't practice all 8 ways in one client normally i do 5-6 out of 8 of ways. I'm feeling better and better to get my whole body engaged with me giving massage, when i'm leaning, my shoulder and my back are all sync together it feel like dancing. i think that is the beauty of thai massage it doesn't only feel good to receiver also nice for the one giving the massage.

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As i been practicing focus on doing Thai massage with energy flow and choosing the comfortable position to do depending with clients bodies and stressing less with the mechanical sequence, i received plenty happy feedback from my clients. I never massage client without warm up so im very agree with you that we can't just stretch or pressing client body as soon as we start massage without warm up and getting muscles ready.

with upper leg Thai massage i use a lot of roll up and down technique, and feedback that i received so far most of them enjoying best on the hamstring and calf roll up and down, push up and down than doing the same techniques but on the out side of thigh (when we bend leg 90 degrees) it has to do with the amount of pressure i gave maybe.

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This sounds very good - you must be doing a good job with the material. And yes, you are absolutely right, Thai Massage should be like a dance which feels great for both the receiver and the giver. Smile

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I use my forearm often during massage but it's feel different when I practise using your methods, not only because I usually massage on the table (my workplace use massage table 100% of the time)
So my position always standing up, then practising use forearm with sitting position and massage on the leg feel a lot different.

Leaning with forearm on the 90 degrees on the upper thigh at first doesn't feel comfortable but after few trial it’s fine also my client like the pressure from leaning position better.
I tried elephant walking and continue with the rocking the calf gently afterwards my hubby really like it 

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My partner really enjoy elephant walking technique however when we do butterly triangle stretch was not to much as he have little flexibility.

The stretching on the inside thigh, hip walking stretch is pretty easy and my hubby like it much.
I find it easier for me to do circulate lift hips on my girlfriend than my husband, he also doesn't really enjoy so we only try once and skip it.

I would like to ask if we have client who has disproportion hips or hip issue do you recommend to do stretching as well or we just skip the stretching on the hip?

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If there is an imbalance in the hips, or if someone has hip issues, then stretching can definitely be very useful. However it is important to not only do stretching, but to start out with warming techniques and/or rocking techniques. In other words, one stretch in itself is not enough. There needs to be a treatment protocol that is designed for a specific condition.

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I like the techniques on losing the calf muscle, its pretty simple easy and effective, great way to warm the up. I tried the hip 180 stretching to 3 people include my hubby but only one actually enjoyed the stretching, my friend and hubby had groin stiff and could not moved all the way down.

for next time i will be careful decide which techniques to apply for different people not just based on their body size, body condition but also  their flexibility.

also thank you for the tip how to stretch on much bigger and taller client i need that as i'm a small therapist, thank you appreciate your well thought.

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for the further leg stretching although they are quite similar to the earlier stretching lesson but with different angle to position my self and client's leg i find bit discomfort to be honest and find it bit hard. Especially when client's leg much taller than my body got a bit awkward, rocking instead is fine for me.

the hamstring stretch and spinal twist i had tried on one of my friend, she loved it. I did very gently and her body is petite and very flexible so both of us enjoyed and felt good but i'm not sure if i will do it to other people in near future. I may need to get use to do it to couple more flexible people before take it to be part of routine tehniques 

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I think that you have a good approach. First try it on easy people for a while until you feel more comfortable and confident, and then slowly try it on others. And remember, there is nothing wrong with skipping some techniques on large and heavy clients.

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Module 10

i have a look into what Hara actually means and how its knows and how masseuse all over the world try to use hara to profound their tehnique, i actually knew about it from your videos, that was new information to me.

regarding the technique on spinal twist sometimes is harder to get them to move on big person, especially when we have to lift to make the twist it kinda heavy for me. There's a technique i think it 270 hip pie it called i find it a bit hard on a tall and big client so i will skip those. Calf muscles and ankle muscles stretch pretty easy and effective from the respond of the client. 

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Good to see the summary, that's nice. I got to see how it all flow together and connected and give me ideas how you do and what different with what i've done.

Pretty much we have similarity from start to end i had little modified on some that i think easier for me to do and i also had skip couple that i thought i couldn't do. Maybe once i build up confident to the techniques and i get client that more suit to do those techniques. i have remind my self with the correct breath in and out when we lean on client as well as i have been telling my client if i see her/his mucles was tight to relaxed so i can do better stretching and give feel good for them and my self.

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You will probably find that most therapists do not use the hara concept. This is not even taught in traditional Thai Massage. The hara focus is something which I added into my style of Thai Massage based on my experience with energy work like Qigong and martial arts which I used to practice.

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