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August 8, 2012 - 4:57 pm
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I'll try to explain. The position where the client's leg is on my thighs. If I move closer to the his hip with my leg then he is well supported and feels comfortable. If I afraid to touch the genital area and move back, than the client's thigh and hip is not so well supported, it kinda hangs in the air. In that case if I start leaning pressing on the client's upper thigh part, then he feels a bit uncomfortable in lower back. Now in this case I just don't press so high on the thigh, then it feels ok.

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Ok I understand. This technique does not work so well if you get too far away from the hip. You found a compromise by not leaning into the hip joint. But I would not be too worried about getting too close to the genitals. I just added that warning to the video in order to make people aware of this issue. But it should not be such a fear issue that the position becomes less effective.

If you are working on an unknown male client who is a bit insecure, you might not want to use this position at all. You could instead just work the hamstrings with your forearms from the outside, sitting next to the legs.

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August 16, 2012 - 6:47 pm
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Module 22. Prone legs 3

The Stretches are great. Specially I liked small tips on how to fix legs and making stronger stretch, cause I've practiced on some very flexible people.

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Module 23. Sacrum.

This is the first time I meet thorough sacrum work in massage. This is actually something I would like to know even more. Lately read about connection between lack of mobility of SI joint and knee and lower back pain.

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I always thought it was quite strange that most therapists don't work on the sacrum. It feels really good, it is very beneficial, and in my experience all the clients who receive it really like it. I always include it in my back work. I find it so important that I created a separate therapy course just about sacrum work.

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Module 24. Prone back 1

Great lesson. I experienced myself, when I was studying in traditional school, how my thumbs were sore after several days of studying.

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I had the same problem when I started out with Thai Massage 14 years ago. We were taught how to do everything with our thumbs. In real life that does not work unless you want to burn out your thumbs. This is a big reason why I always teach alternative techniques whenever possible that can replace thumb work.

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Module 25. Prone back 2

It was hard to use knee techniques in this lesson, cause I had a partner much smaller than me. However I did them lightly, focusing on holding my balance.

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Module 26. Prone back 3

I didn't have to use a pillow under the chest. But do you use all the time while working on the back or just when you work on the upper back? I'm asking because it makes lower back to arch more.

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I use the pillow if I find that the client is not comfortable lying on the mat with the neck turned sideways at 90 degrees. If someone has a flexible neck and does not experience discomfort, then there is no need for the pillow. Also if you use a big pillow on a small client, that will make the back arch more. If you use it on a tall client, it will have less effect on the lower back. My point is you might want to use a thinner pillow for a short client in order to lessen the back arching. It is always good to have a variety of props around.

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Module 27. Prone back 4. Module 28. Prone summary

I was always very careful with cobra exercise. Too often I see people doing it by mostly breaking in lower back. However I liked the first variant you showed, cause it's brings more focus to thoracic extension and doesn't allow too much bend in lower back (I might be wrong, but that's how I felt it on myself). I thought that it's good idea to use it even for people who can bend more, because it's so common now to have very restricted movement in thoracic cage.

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You are correct, that's exactly the idea. The first cobra does not bend the lower back as much and is better suited for people who cannot handle a strong lower back stretch. And it is also true that you can use all the cobra versions even though someone is flexible since their effect is slightly different.

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Module 29-30. Side position 1-2.

Rocking twists wasn't very easy to get right. On every person it felt very different.

I have a question about a stretch in the end, when leg i pulled backwards. When it's done on me I feel    a stretch in hip flexors. The stretch is OK, but it felt a little out of context. I mean that we worked on the back and then do a stretch for anterior muscle group. However for the giver it might be a comfortable position to do this stretch. What I would like, if somebody does this stretch strong on me, is to get some hip flexors' loosening right before, cause for me this stretch is quite intense. Btw do you know some good techniques to relax iliopsoas before stretching. For me just shaking legs in supine position and chi machine works a little, but maybe there're better and more specific technique.

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Rocking is quite an intuitive art and it takes time to develop the feeling for it.

In regards to the stretch you mentioned, I am not sure which one you are referring to. Could you tell me the specific video number and the time position on the video (i.e. minute 23) so that we are on the same wave length?

I do know very good and effective techniques for working on the iliopsoas. I did not include them in this course since they are done in close proximity to the genitals, and they are very specific therapeutic techniques which take some experience to work with. Many therapists would be hesitant to use those techniques, so I teach them generally in live classes only.

But maybe one of these days I will make a video about this subject.

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I mean the last stretch in the 30. module, starting from 22:00

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When you say you felt that the stretch was 'out of place', remember this: The techniques shown on the videos are not necessarily meant to be done in the same sequence one after the other. They are all options to choose from, and then you put together your own session in the way that you feel is best for the client. In the video I am presenting all the different techniques that can be done in the side position. It does not mean that this is a fixed sequence.

I don't use this particular stretch very often. It is a bit of a yogi stretch and does not work well on everyone. When I want to loosen up the hip area I generally start with quite a bit of rocking moves in the supine and/or prone position. That is my personal preference and it works well on almost everyone.

When I work on the psoas, I access it via deep abdominal work and work in the groin area. I also use rocking moves to go quite deep in those areas since this feels less intense than linear pressure.

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Module 31. Side position 3.

Nice moves. When I got my body moving, they went quite natural.

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Module 32. Side position 4. 

Those a pretty strong techniques. So far I met much more people with scapulae really glued, and was not able to get my fingers under it. 

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I know the feeling. There are plenty of people with super tight scapulas. In such cases you just have to work on top of the scapula and around the edges.

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Module 33. Sitting position 1.

I actually also avoid this position mostly. Even people who can sit in this position, usually have a hard time to relax.

Have you considered sitting not cross legs, but feet under buttocks? E.g. for shoulder work and for back stretch it could work. 

About the twist, should the neck always be flexed, and why ?

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