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Merri Lou Dobler's Thai Massage Shoulder Therapy
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Module 1.  I notice that I'm paying attention more to the approach to the person and the area being worked in this first module,  which makes this more meaningful to absorb and understand.  I usually want to see the technique as the main emphasis in other courses, but there are new things in this shoulder course that help with integration of the whole lesson.  Since a straddle position for my daughter tends to freak her out at first, we did the very first part with hands on both shoulders last night. That was it.  Today I moved into the shifting back and forth with release, hold, followed by a rocking movement which was very soothing, and then the sideways speed up. I had to figure out what sideways meant at first, since it looked simple in the video  but is a different move that is affecting the whole body. It was great because it was several different approaches to relaxing the shoulder and they worked well to loosen things up.

It was more work to have one hand under my daughter's shoulder, the other hand stable on the other side for support, and then lift, pull back and down for a circle. I did one circle for a bit and then switched over to the other side since I wondered if it would be better for the one arm of mine that is stronger. Will work on this; my body mechanics were not totally correct. Hands on the traps went okay because it is a rolling up, lift and fall.  Traps carry a load for the shoulders and back.

Shoulder work on the individual shoulder was appreciated by my daughter as she relaxed for one hand and then with both hands, rocking, circling. I didn't feel like I needed to try the thumbs since this felt good and we could do it for a while. The thumb rock, leaning in and out, was also a good motion.

Lots of shoulder work ahead!  Thank you Shama!

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March 21, 2022 - 6:54 am
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You will be amazed at the detail and the amount of shoulder work in this course. There are a couple of modules that overlap with the Complete Thai Massage course, but aside from that, most of the material is new and unique.

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March 25, 2022 - 10:29 pm
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Module 2. My daughter and I really enjoy Thai shoulder work and the "sandwich" image is perfect for helping her feel secure and relaxing as the hands work together for a circle, in close, push and pull down. It's a circle!  You get a real feel for how a shoulder works with just this first technique, and then you shift the angles of the hands for a different way of both moving a shoulder and feeling the shoulder adapt. The whole rotation is different but feels good to my daughter. There is a lot of strength in shoulders that work together.

Then the traps, after taking the time to support her arm and shoulder actions, and my own ergonomics. One side was easier than the other to get into the best body position, probably because I start the same side as the video and then have to figure it out again on the other side. Traps were much easier than on a table.

Upper arms, using my forearm for circling, the angle change was also accepted by my daughter. I used the thumbs/fingers technique instead of the elbow, just because! My daughter was very relaxed and the tension release in her face reflected this.  Thank you Shama!

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"My daughter was very relaxed and the tension release in her face reflected this."  -  Your daughter is lucky to have a mom like you!

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Module 3. Traction following the principles worked for my daughter. I liked how the lean-back gave me the sensation just before the traction happened, if you know what I mean. Both ways brought something different in the feel of it, both good. The Triangle stretch was too much, so I simulated it with her solder eased, using the 70/30, a really nice way to help figure out which applies to push/pull.

Arm swinging was fun for her, then shaking and rocking and grabbing the arm. It really switched things up to do this and my daughter laughter as I moved around, noticing where the "feel" changed for her arms. Her shoulders can take a lot, much more than mine can, and then my daughter tapped her left shoulder to indicate she liked the shoulder sandwich and wanted it again. Of course!  And both shoulders were repeated with this technique.

Oh yes, the foot in the armpit reminded me instantly of having this technique done in my session last weekend, and I thought it was great to turn around and offer it to my daughter. Thanks Shama!

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Yes, the shoulder sandwich technique is great. I love it. It is one of the techniques that I added in my style of Thai Massage. It is not done in Thailand, and I have never had it done to me unfortunately. I have to find someone who took this course. Laugh

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Shoulder 4.  Prone position for my daughter was relaxing to her.  Started with circles, scapula, one hand on the other, palms, nice and slow. I liked the variations of speeding up, heel of palm, and of course the rocking. Was in the groove of varied pressure and breathing, and switching when at lowest pressure.

My daughter was not crazy about fingertips hooking the scapula, which I expected from previous experience, so I started with that, heard her response, and then moved to hooking the Traps, circling. I liked the reminder in the video of correctly doing this,  of pulling up and releasing down; getting into the rhythm and seeing her relax again was very good. The neck squeeze and pull, other hand on the Traps, worked well. I moved back to the scapula and my daughter again anticipated it, and I was ready to move to Traps and upper arm squeeze/pull/rotate forward. Oh, so nice!

I thought the arm in the groin and rolling might not work for my daughter, but she handled it well, nice and slow shoulder rotation.  I was careful with it, forward, down, forward, and it was not a hard Then I moved to the spinal twist just to get a feel for the slow version, a relaxing finish with percussion that she likes.  Thanks!

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I would think that there will be some moves that your daughter won't take to that well, but then again there are so many techniques in this course that you could never do a session that includes every single one of them. It's all about having options and choosing the right ones.

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Module 5. I worked the first part of this module yesterday with my daughter, when I did the Thai Massage Hip in the side position. It was perfect to move from the hip up to the shoulder on that side. Today she was turned to the other side and I was able to get a little more practice in the whole module. The set up was great to secure her arm and to have her leg bent on a pillow. It helped her relax.

The progression is to loosen up the shoulder with circles and then circling with one hand and fingertips on the Traps with the other hand. I changed the hands around to decide which one worked better on the right side and was happy with having a choice. I could see how the stretch worked next, with the shoulder pushed back; it was not stiff but required good support with my daughter's muscle mass. It was slow and easy and the rhythm was very nice. She sighed a few times and I kept going, and then changed to more of a sideways rocking.

Once I had the next technique  figured out, holding her arm, forearm loose, circling the arm and swinging her arm around, I found that my daughter liked this deeper stretch. I'll need my notes to again set up, and this is a strong technique, but it catches a lot of areas where shoulders have problems. Even practicing it on myself for the rotation and where it might "catch" was good.

I also liked moving my position from next to her to moving up to lean in and to rotate. The stretch is really great. I followed the directions to make it more intricate, circling one hand and pulling back the other. I released it when my daughter said she had enough, for the third technique of power was going to be too much.  I then moved to my daughter's feet for a minute of Thai foot massage, which was definitely enjoyed, and then our session was over. Thanks Shama, these are great techniques!

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April 11, 2022 - 3:41 am
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With all your courses, you sound like an old pro with Thai Massage by now. You know how to adjust, modify, listen to your practice partner's body, and do what works best! Smile

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Update-practice. I was fortunate today to visit a friend who had asked for shoulder work. Several years ago she had Frozen Shoulder in the other shoulder and was experiencing problems with the right shoulder now. I am on Module 6 right now, and I jumped ahead to go over the remaining modules, which were active for me. I had not practiced these last lessons with my daughter yet. I also reviewed all my previous notes and made a list of how I might approach this. My friend's favorite technique was with her supine and I was able to be squatting above, hands reaching under her shoulders,  from front to back, going back and forth lifting one shoulder, releasing, and then getting into the rhythm of lifting her other shoulder. She relaxed so much. I felt very comfortable.

I was able to do many techniques with hands, forearms, elbow, for supine, prone, side positions. No power techniques because of the pain in the shoulder. Bending her arms up, one at a time, in the three positions, rotating and finding restrictions, stretching, bending her hand back, and then a lot of focus on the scapula and Traps was great. There was benefit to working with Thai Massage, for when I found a difference from one shoulder/scapula, I could stretch it from a different angle and get a different answer, and give feedback. I finished with neck and head Thai massage.

The previous Frozen Shoulder was the surprise for her, that it was bothering her but also that she needed to pay attention to that side. It was good practice for me: I felt great afterwards. Moving from one side to the other was much easier, toes were not hurting with sitting back or squats.  She gave me feedback, esp when it felt good. She was loosened up and ready for a nap.

I am ready to go back to the videos and learn more! Thanks Shama!

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You are becoming a real Thai Massage therapist, not just a practitioner.

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So True, Shama!    Education has always been my forte, first with being a Registered Dietitian for 36 years. I did yoga for years before becoming a teacher in 2020, which I just love,  and my  yoga students know I'm going to focus on an area such as sciatica or shoulder injuries or anything related to spine/joint health. It ties in very well with massage and now with Thai massage, which is really fascinating to me and I do think of myself as a Thai Massage therapist. This whole study of Thai Massage has increased my awareness of many aspects of physical health and I don't have a set sequence for Thai Massage. I am  keeping myself open to the possibilities with clients and also listening to my intuition, which I think that a basic element such as rocking triggers those energies to move through me.  I keep tucking away some of these many fascinating techniques, aware that practice is what I need, and that my interest is high in all these Thai Massage courses.  You have great courses.  Thanks!

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Thank YOU! Smile

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Module 6.  This module used the side-lying position, which I had found to be a very accessible way to get to the shoulder, and to loosen the scapula, and then to apply traction to the shoulder in several different ways.  I'm getting more comfortable setting up the client with positioning next to them and adjusting their arm for stability and to swing it around.  My daughter enjoys the shoulder work and she was not ticklish with this. She let me get to the shoulder from the different angles. There was one instance when her right scapula was tight and I worked to loosen it, resulting in her saying she didn't like that.  Hooking the scapula in the lower medial side was okay to her as I moved around, and it seemed to be relax her, so that was good.

Rocking goes well with the shoulder techniques for relaxing after a stretch, and I am amazed at the flexibility of the shoulder with my daughter's arm behind her, resting in my hand, and my other hand on the upper arm for traction. The second traction move was also good for my daughter, and also good for me to feel the strength. I felt more energy from the Hara in breathing to the traction, and I probably felt it more in all the stretching today. Getting out of my thoughts and back into breathing brings a positive change to the technique being applied.

My daughter has strong arms and this was one of the times when she was okay with both shoulders being worked on, which I really appreciated. Now my feet, she says!   Shoulder work is really good, thanks!

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Shama,  this was the first time I had trouble with the quiz! I thought I was paying attention throughout but some of the questions stumped me.  I decided to do the lesson again in 5 minute increments and then take a break to see where I am losing my concentration. I had a lot on my mind but I could focus for 5 minutes, break, 5 minutes more, and not only did I do the quiz more competently, I picked up body ergonomics more completely.  It's a matter of practicing the focus, and only doing this one thing. I enjoyed it a lot!  Thanks.

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April 27, 2022 - 8:01 am
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I have not looked at the quiz questions in years, maybe I should check to see if there is something ambiguous in there??

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Module 7.  Well, it definitely relates to my ability to understand things these days!  I think the questions in the quiz are great. They reinforce the main principles and pull out a concept that is important.

I appreciate that every step in a technique is clearly outlined and reviewed in a video, that all aspects of care for the practitioner, what a client will notice with the technique, how it feels, how many times to repeat it, how to vary for differences between practitioner and client, and so much more, is said to understand it. It's very specific and it helps me to get it, to picture it, to practice it. 

In yoga class I like to emphasize angle degrees: 45 degrees, 90 degrees, etc, for asanas,  and the carryover in Thai Massage for body mechanics is helpful to get cohesion of the whole technique.

My daughter has a thicker neck as part of her Down syndrome ,and she did really well with being prone with the foot techniques. It was slow and careful rhythm with lots of repetition on the one side and moving down, leaning in. I could feel the strength with holding her hand and my foot stable.

Then I caught the ticklish part, on her side, my forearm tracing the shoulder blade, in the joint. I had made sure the pillow was supporting the arm to get to it but there is was, a ticklish spot! I couldn't get to the knee in that section because my daughter was all done! Thanks Shama!

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April 29, 2022 - 4:58 am
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Your daughter seems to have ticklish reactions in several areas. But I think that you will find a lot less of that in most clients that you will encounter. On the positive side, if you ever encounter a ticklish client, you will be well-prepared for such reactions. Smile

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Module 8. I really like the knee work, using my right knee, not only because I seem to be  balancing okay and can have a broader awareness, but I like how it gives the arms and upper body a break, and that it works!  I set up the pillows first, so my daughter could lie down right away without refusing pillows. The knee went in with a gentle lean, then going up and down in the soft tissue. The knee cap was okay too. Then the arm,  for a push and roll up.

She moved supine with a second, firm pillow to elevate the arm. All the variations were good, maybe a little jerky with the circling. The deltoid is a really good, strong muscle to work on. The shape of muscles comes through with the knee, and the knee/brain communication is good.

I slid my daughter's arm/shoulder under my knee for the next technique for a lean in, rolling down and rocking. The traction worked. I had to figure out what "parallel" meant in my notes until I saw the "roll but pull down". I think she was getting tired at this point as I attempted the sideways lean. One more, I said to my daughter, for the last one of the thumb on the Traps, fingers underneath, lifting the shoulder, was a good finish for her.

Wonderful to have a whole module on the knee for shoulder, arm, deltoid!  Thanks Shama!

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