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January 7, 2022 - 7:13 am
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Transitions look easy. When you try to do them, they are not that easy. And once you master them, they really are so easy! Laugh

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January 9, 2022 - 6:36 am
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Module 19.  Love it, love it, love it. Brings it all together. Fun to watch and absorb. Thank you!

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Module 20. My daughter is now settled in to my requests for something new, and then ask if she 'd like something else, like hips rotation, arm and hand, spinal twist.  Today she asked for a belly rub and then was great with some sternal movements. We then moved to the prone legs. I know I have one ticklish calf on my leg, when bent up, but my daughter was fine with hers. She likes her feet massaged; we will do heel cream later before bed. On the soles of her feet it went well, once I remembered to be at 45 degrees. You can tell when you're just not in the right spot. The 1-2-3-2-1 was good on her flat feet, three lines and then "soft elbow" pressing down. The rhythm came easily, slow at first, inner and outer. I found the traction and compression to be well-received, both holding and then circling. I leaned in, circled, breathed.

I moved her leg up, pressed on the foot, a press and pull, and back down I got for the tendon circling on both feet. It is strong! My daughter liked it. Elephant walking went well until the upper calves, then it got ticklish. No extra pillow for her head or under her chest, a good sequence and fun to do. Thank you.!

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January 9, 2022 - 8:21 am
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Thai Massage is not only good professionally, but also for family relationships. That goes very much for myself and my wife as well.

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January 11, 2022 - 8:02 am
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Review today, Modules 14-16. Feels like a long time ago since I've done these. Recently I discovered the Index of content of all the course modules, which is a great tool. It was good to make my own notes, but now I can see the bigger picture better.  This is great. Thank you.

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Module 21.   I see more of the similarities of working prone legs with supine legs, especially with using the forearm/elbows to get into the sen lines.  And I also see how heavy legs require a modification to slide under one leg. My daughter is 4'8" tall with sturdy legs. Her hips are tighter so I could not really move her legs out very far in order to sit between them. The picture of the modified pose was worth a thousand words! I made the adjustment quite easily because of the modified technique, and was able to lift her leg -above her knee -to place it on my thigh. I again had the picture ready for the other leg. Right leg moved easier than left. My daughter's foot was sort of facing down but not exactly there.  I worked with her leg with her foot where it was naturally able to be. It was resisting much of a rotation, to turn it for much of an angle to reach 45 degrees too, and I was careful with it. It was different  working with her legs and I could get to sen lines with more of my torso pressed up against her leg, knowing that the ability to externally rotate will easily stop you and requires caution. At least on one side it was harder, for the IT Band, but not on the other.

That was when I realized I wasn't really breathing again as my mind was working with the little surprises of rotation ability, so I settled in with her breath and leaned in, just to do the best I could. The transition was a challenge, in that my daughter wasn't comfortable on one side. Maybe I wasn't transitioning correctly and I also know that when she was supine that she didn't like the rotation nor the hip coming up. I could still modify it with a pillow for support and a slight angle. I made sure  she was comfortable. I told her what I was doing next, like "I'm moving your leg, under your knee now".

Ah, the rocking motion. Good for both of us! Then the prone leg triangle stretch, which was practically impossible for my daughter. Knee and hip would not allow it for her so  I worked on her glutes with her legs straight. She liked that. Another rocking motion and she was done!  Thank you for this module!

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January 15, 2022 - 8:40 am
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A lot of the art is in the ability to modify techniques. Over time you will come up with modifications on your own, depending on who you are working on.

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Module  22.  With this module I liked the challenge and the surprises that came with it. My daughter and I got some laughs out of it too. With the first leg stretch her leg bent about 70% towards the buttocks, as did the other leg. I could get into position and rock it, which felt nice to her. 1-2-3-2-1 is a good distraction for the brain, since I'm saying it out loud, and this brought a little relaxation of her leg. I was careful with not working on the bone.  I did not try the power version since it wasn't going to work but I do practice first with my granddaughter's doll and can get a feel for what it is like.

With both legs bent to about 70%, I moved the feet together and started to put my hand on both to hold it. This made my daughter laugh so hard. I backed off and just held the feet for a minute so she wouldn't full come out of the position. Socks on her feet  might have limited the ticklish-ness of the toes touching. It reminds me of Western massage, when it's a good idea with a new client to ask about their feet and what works if they are ticklish.

I was careful with turning around and sitting on her hip, maybe 30% weight, since I expected a reaction from my daughter, which happened. I moved off her quickly. I didn't get to lean back while holding her leg. The sacrum would probably feel pretty good if sitting on it correctly.  Next, it was a little work, sort of a heave-ho (!) to lift the leg to my armpit where, low and behold, it was snug and secure. Rocking the leg and a stretch on the glutes was good.

My stability was a little shaky since my toes were sore today, so I leaned in with my knee in the glutes but supported myself with one hand on the floor. Therefore, I couldn't use both hands to reach over to the hip bone.  One hand was ineffective for any kind of work. I can see how this could be a nice stretch, however, but I don't have the control factor needed yet.

My daughter was ready to go supine and have some Thai foot massage done; she is a great sport with all of this.  Thank you!

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January 16, 2022 - 9:12 am
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I like your graphic descriptions of your practice. I can easily visualize it! Smile

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Module 23.  This session was a little tricky, but  I split it into two sessions so my daughter could feel prepared for it and not freak out. The explanation, and video, along with the transcript ,were great. I found the sacrum and grooves and was able to trace around the sacrum. Circling with hand palms felt good to my daughter.  She liked the pressure and relaxed into it. Rocking always seems to help. I did this for a while, then I was using the thumbs,  finding the grooves, then going up and down the center and around the sides of the sacrum.

Percussion is a great technique and this worked very well on my daughter. Karate chopping started to feel ticklish to her, so I moved pretty quickly to the hip rocking for the glutes and lower back. Nope, again ticklish. She let me try the second side with the same result. For some reason it wasn't going to be today that this was going to work.

When I came back to try it again the first part was again positive.  I had reviewed how both hands are rocking but have a different motion for either the lower back or the sacrum. I was able to transition physically to the other side of my daughter, surprised that it felt easier this time. Then I had to pause.  I wanted  to make sure I was balanced as I switched sides, doing it again with hands down, but an improvement in feeling a little more flexible.  Again I felt I needed to check the directions for the hands. I think my brain was telling me to take a break today.

The video review is a great choice for seeing and listening and absorbing techniques.

I liked how I felt some control  when settling my knees into my daughter's glutes but she said no to it. My neighbor, unfortunately, had a tooth removed  a few days ago and continues to have some pain. So again I have to wait and I can see that  it is all in the timing and in not pushing to keep learning a new series of techniques.

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So true, you can't push or force it. Sometimes you just have to take a break and wait until the timing is right. Smile

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Module 24.  I love working on the back and am really glad this is not all about thumbs. It was much easier for me to be on the floor than on a table and to get the body mechanics working for me. I liked not having to use thumbs or fingers to press into the erector muscles, as I might have done on a table. I know the shoulder blades work is coming!

My daughter's shirt was sliding around with the big palm circles, so I slowed down. I settled in to just letting that happen and it got better. Initially I had to find the spine so I could put my hands on the opposite shoulder blades, which made the body mechanics work very well.  Once I got the rhythm of breathing and pressure and speed, then I relaxed and focused on my daughter. She had a few ticklish times but she enjoyed it. I did these circles about 3 times.

The small circles took a minute to speed up the pace and to get to the erector muscles. Leaning in makes it so much easier to stay on these muscles. and to feel their texture.  It's easier now to automatically breathe out as I lean in and apply more pressure. I did this twice, up and down and back up.

The cue page was very helpful with listing moving from circles to sideways to up and down wiggle and then offset wiggle. The rhythm of moving these different ways was just as calming for me as it felt for my daughter. It was like a dance where you switch up without missing a beat. We were rocking to the beat and it felt good.

I was careful with the offset wiggle since it felt like it should be smaller movements and because each hand is giving different information that requires paying attention to what is going on. As long as I'm breathing through this ,though,  I'm getting information that I don't have to search for as I might be trying to do with holding my breath. That is twice the work if I realize I'm holding my breath.

A good one, Shama, and thanks for the back techniques.

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"It was like a dance where you switch up without missing a beat. We were rocking to the beat and it felt good."  Clearly you are getting it! Smile

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Module 25.  What I learned in this module is that my daughter doesn't realize when I am using my elbows. I tried to very gentle and away from the spine. I found that s he enjoyed rocking so much that the first positions helped her relax a lot,  and she zoned out a bit.  I stayed with that a while, going back and forth and making circles to  benefit her level of relaxation. She needed it, plus we had gone to the gym earlier and also did our usual Zumba Kids dancing on YouTube in the morning. Her body was ready to relax.

The body mechanics for leaning into the traps were so excellent in the demo and then the reality too, that the rocking was very soothing for my daughter. Her body is strong and solid, and while the spine took a little work to  find the first place to work, I was glad  for my past massage experience in using the elbows. I took my time and appreciated how it was going. It had been a while since I'd used elbows.  It was much more comfortable than a table massage ever is, as least for me.  Very exciting!

The knee techniques might have gone okay but my daughter did not want any knee contact. So I did the rocking of her body with hands on the sides of the spine. That worked. I'll have to wait to practice this some other time. I did like the third technique when practicing with my granddaughter's doll, actually a really cool move. I would need to get much more comfortable and confident to do any of the three knee techniques, so I can wait. Thank you for this module!

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"What I learned in this module is that my daughter doesn't realize when I am using my elbows."  -  I have had this experience many times that my clients had no idea what body parts I was using and were totally surprised when I told them that I had been using elbows and forearms. Smile

If you work in a sensitive way, you can use elbows, knees, and feet, and it feels good and clients won't even know as long as they keep their eyes closed.

Of course, the opposite is also true. If you work in an insensitive way, the elbows will feel terrible. Cry

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Module 26.  So glad to not have sore thumbs with back work. Table work is so different, and this was such a positive experience today. I'm lucky to have a daughter who is willing to let me work with her.  Except for a single tickle-time on one glute,  it went well. I talked a lot more through it, describing what I was doing, telling her I am next to her spine, I am lifting her shoulder, I'm doing elephant walking again, etc.

It made a difference to have her shoulder rest on my thigh, instead of, when using a table, sliding  a hand under to elevate the scapula for working on. It was much more effortless on the floor. There was a modification to working the sen lines # 1 and # 2 in the module, and there was a different feel to them, tighter with sen line # 2, which told me to go slower and to sink in to the spots where it felt like a good response. Her lower back was in good shape. She liked that I rested her shoulder back down. As always, there was something new to her, and she is now much more willing to experience it, even the surprises. And that's good, because there are a lot more modules!

The two rhythms, elephant walking and horse galloping were great for me, because at this point there is a lot of energy moving between us and around us, and the rhythms help move those energies. It allows the body to let some energies go to be ready for what is next.  I came into the modified stance because my daughter realized I had shifted my position and she wanted me to move. A-Okay! I liked the modified stance and all the forearm moves. The ticklish part came with one hand on the sacrum and one on the lower back so I switched that sacrum hand to palm pressing and then going side to side. That was fine for her.  A little body rocking was nice for her too.

She declined a pillow under her chest or as a face cradle, and with her short neck I had to figure out how to massage up and down the neck. I couldn't quite get there and I wished I'd thought through the pillow situation. She said she was done. One side completed is better than none!

Thank you for this module!

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I am glad to see that you acknowledge that floor work is easier and gives you better leverage. Many massage therapists are very attached to table work and try to adapt everything to the table, but Thai Massage is indeed much easier on the floor.

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Module 27. I celebrate the successes of the Thai massage techniques that work for my daughter. I know it is just the timing right now that other people are not available.   The leverage of working with the scapula- one hand under the shoulder, one hand on the scapula- while on a table, versus Thai Massage, with both hands able to do the work, is so good. The body mechanics make a huge difference, and I am pleased with how you can have much more control with Thai Massage. The traps work went well for my daughter, circling and then kneading.

I slowed down with finding the groove, challenging through thicker parts of the back,  and then it went well, mainly staying higher on the back. My daughter did not like her hand on her back so we used a pillow to elevate it just enough to do some scapula release work on one side. Tickle sensations for her with the shoulder stretch and rotation ended quickly. Again, arm on a pillow instead of on my thigh. Clasping both hands below her shoulder and holding the space was good but she declined the twist. The comfort of a hold is one of the most intentional things you can do.

Cobra # 1 was good and plenty for my daughter. The other cobras looked so beneficial for those who are flexible.

And the treat of the night for my daughter is the percussion, relaxing her up and down and around. The pillow section was valuable information; I have several sizes, and my daughter loves all her pillows.   

The rhythm of the whole shoulder girdle can be brought out with gentle or strong movements. Thank you for this module!

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January 30, 2022 - 8:23 am
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Yes, the percussion feels great. This is actually not done in traditional Thai Massage in Thailand, but I added it into my style because I love it and my clients as well. Smile

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Module 28. My daughter let me practice with her, along with about 12 minutes with the video, for this module.  I was amazed at what I have learned. The summary modules put so much together and it just makes sense. It's like making a quilt and having a grand vision of how the pieces sew together for a beautiful tapestry. Moving from one part of the body to the next, bringing in a mix of techniques in one area, using elbows or forearms instead of just thumbs and fingers, getting better with moving from one side of the body to the other (not my forte yet!), and just being present with someone is a grand mystery opening up.  There is so much more to learn from just this section, prone body work, and it fits in well with supine, the flow a great sweeping of the body for relaxation and health.  Just not enough words to describe how this Thai Massage work goes deep inside us as we work with people.  Love it! Thank you!

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