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Liz Babcock Thai Massage for Sciatica Course
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October 28, 2014 - 6:31 am
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Module 1

Thank You so much for making this course specializing in Sciatica. It for sure has been a reoccurring theme in clients who come in and see me.

I really appreciate your instruction referring to that you may do all the sciatic special moves you know and still that darn nerve still hurts! This has been my experience! It is great when it is relieved too! 

The visuals on the pelvis where great and the identification of the piriformis  muscle, which has been a nice place for me to rest my knees in the prone position..yum.

 

I am really looking forward to the next module!

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Hi Liz, welcome to our forum and the Sciatica course which is indeed a useful specialization for Thai Massage. It won’t be a guaranteed fix for sciatica, but it will definitely improve your success rate!

Also please take a moment and familiarize yourself with our certification check list here:
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I noticed that you registered for the CE certificate. It seems that you live in Canada. Are the US (NCBTMB) CEUs accepted in Canada?

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Hi Shama,

Yes,I am American but reside in Canada. There is no certification for any bodywork other than Massage whi h is tightly regulated by the government. I am interested in getting certification possibly through Thai Alliance, also just on case I should ever go back to live in the states it might be a good idea.

What are thoughts?

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October 29, 2014 - 9:28 am
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Module 2

I just watched the video and decided to take some notes.

Some things that you said that really stood out for me; ” Treatment should be balanced and comprehensive not overly specific”. From my practice I have noticed it really helps me to work at least palming the whole body if I know the treatment I am going to focus on may be in bottom half. Then even though I may not do the thumb walk the lines of the arms I am still stimulating the flow of energy throughout the whole system. I have found this is very soothing and relaxing to the client and maybe puts them in a more receptive state for the deeper work to the acute or chronic condition.

I really appreciate the focus on steps I can take to help understand better where the pain is coming from, I will use this right away!

Lifestyle! This seems sometimes to be the hardest for clients to grasp ( me included!). Sometimes this takes a discussion of options or proactive things they can do, especially if it is difficult like one of my clients drives long distances which is required for his work and he does heavy lifting. So we have discussed how he can stop more often and stretch, walk or even swim when not working to help his sciatica. 

I love Thai Massage in particular because of it’s innate holistic approach. Yes! the mind is often a huge part of why people struggle to feel better! Thai Massage is so excellent at opening the body and calming the mind. I have had clients who finally felt hope (just like you said) , to try things physically that they had stopped doing when their acute pain occurred and were too frightened or now disbelieved they could not perform some certain task, even though their injury was no longer acute, and they have told me how freeing it is!

 

I am looking forward to the next module!

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Regarding the certification issue – what can I say – nowadays it is always a good idea to have a bunch of documents and certifications. You might not need them, but one day they might come in handy.

Sometimes those things can be funny. Talking of Thai Alliance, according to their rules they wouldn’t certify me as a teacher since they require that I must have studied with a teacher who is certified by them. The thing is that I have been teaching Thai Massage since long before Thai Alliance ever came into existence. So naturally I did not study with one of their certified teachers who might have started a decade after I began teaching way back when.

On top of that I studied with the actual Thai masters who are the source of it all. However they did not issue certificates in those days. By now several of them are not with us anymore.

So those things can get quite convoluted. I am a basic member of THAI, anyway. And nowadays nobody asks me where I studied since it is quite obvious that I have taught thousands of students for many years, and I have certified hundreds of them through my school.

I do have a whole stack of all kinds of certificates from schools and training courses which I have attended over the years. I never had to show them to anyone. But I guess it’s better to have them than not to have them.

As far as the Thai Healing Massage Academy certification is concerned, you can get the CE certificate and the International certificate both, if you want to. They serve different purposes. The CE certificate documents earned CEUs, and the International Certificate documents the training course and looks nice for framing. Both are verifiable documents through my school.

In regards to the THAI certification, if you have the time and the money, why not! It might not necessarily make you a better therapist, though, since you are already quite experienced.

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Yes! might as well do both! thank you for your feedback. I know that an instructor in town had to fight with Thai Ailance to get them to accept her hours, but she did get them. I know as well as you that it really is inconsequential, when you apply your skill and intension in your work, you do good work and all are happy!

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Okay I have officially signed up for both.Laugh

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Module 3

This was really useful to learn really from the last 3 modules about the anatomy of the sciatic nerve, and being able to have some tools to identify where the discomfort is originating.

The rocking technique for the lower lumbar region is great. I usually use my for arm and roll this area and I can see how more effective the rocking technique would be, I know I love the way it feels on me.

I practiced the rocking of the lower lumbar yesterday with one of my bigger more sturdier clients and he really seemed to enjoy it. 

I have a lot of large clients and doing foot work is such a nice deep pressure for them and a break for me to get off my knees.

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The rocking techniques are one of my biggest contributions to the world of Thai Massage. I have an entire course just about rocking techniques. They are extremely versatile, useful and effective.

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Module 4

 

I put into practice the techniques you taught in Module 4.

Both my clients found the rocking palming of the lumbar and glutes very relaxing. the elbows work was also easy to receive.

The finger pressing from one side to the opposite side of the spine was a great thing today after the rocking because it was much deeper. Both my clients really felt that touched right on were they feel the most tension.

The feet on the low back and glutes was received not as positively,but both clients were relatively small. I will try this on my heavier clients this week.

I like how my palm fits perfectly over the erector muscles.

Thats it for now.Laugh

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“The feet on the lower back and glutes” – I imagine you are referring to the techniques in module 3. That’s definitely not recommended or not necessary for small clients. However practicing it on small clients is a good idea since it forces you to become really sensitive with your heels. Increasing the pressure on large clients is easy after that. Smile

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I was blessed (not sure if that is the appropriate term) with a new client today with Sciatica. I was able to tell through the tests you suggested that the pain was mostly coming from his Piriformis. I did work the whole area starting at the L4 L5 region, and not surprising the muscles there were very tight.

I then worked on the glutes especially the Piriformis. I used the rocking motion as much as possible. I was able to comfortably use the palming, palming and rocking across the body to the opposite side of the sacrium and the elbows. He felt very much relieved, and was so grateful after the session. I know he really let go during the rocking after 10 minutes of the motion how could you not?

I have now practiced this on 3 of my clients and they absolutely love it!

 

Thank yOu, I will be practicing the knee nextLaugh

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Great, I am happy to hear that. I am glad that you got to apply it on someone who has sciatica issues. Maybe you will be the go-to gal for sciatica in your area! Smile

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Module 6 and 7

I realize that I haven’t written in a while. I have been a busy girl, which is great but one must find balance!!

I will write about module 6 and 7 and then go back to write 5 I think?

I have been using the techniques for loosening the tight Piriformis . I want to say how much I like all the rocking used. That has added a new level to some movements that are Traditional and then takes it to a new level. It seems in particular useful for the European mentality as we like to hold on to our tension, were as Thai people I have worked on are way more relaxed and willing to let go. The rocking is so useful for relaxing the person, instead of forcing my weight on them, it also serves to remind me to stay in the rhythm of the work.

I have been using the rocking twist for the last two weeks and my clients love it! thank you for that gem. It seems to have turned a very mechanical stretch into a really awesome gently release.

I was really wowed by the rotation of the hip in the open position in Module 7. I tried it today on one client, and since she has some not really aligned hips made it a little ackward and first, but then I seem to fall into a groove. I can see how this rotation could be intense for some folks.

I will check back in quicker this time I think I still need to write about Module 5 but I’m not sure.

 

Best to you,

Liz

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The rocking seems to really hit your groove. Actually many of my students have fallen in love with that. It’s my favorite way of working.

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Module 8

Shama this video was great!

I have given my clients a couple of stretches, but now i feel I have so much more.I like all the various positions, standing, sitting lying on the back. This gives someone at different abilities more options. My clients ages range from 14 to 83 so the exercises I give need to be appropriate.

It would be nice to find a print out somewhere of these stretches. Trying to write them out, was interesting. It then might be easier to give them to my clients so they can remember the ones that I showed them.

I am excited to give these to my client. He comes again in a few weeks.

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I am glad to hear that these exercises are useful for your work! Smile

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Hi, Shama!!

I have completed the bonus module. What else doI need to complete before I receive my certification.  I am looking forward to starting the Shoulder certification next!!

Liz

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I remember that you sent in two certification registrations. One was for the International Certification and the other one was for the CE Certification. As of right now you earned the International Certificate which I will send you now. 

Since you live in Canada, I am not sure if the continuing education certificate will be of any use for you. If you want it in case you ever return to the US, it might make more sense to get it at such a later date since it is a time limited document, i.e. you are supposed to earn the CEUs in a given year according to my understanding.

However since all 50 states have different rules, and the rules can change at any time, I cannot be sure what would apply to you if you would return to the US. Especially in California the rules used to be different from one town or county to the next. I heard they changed some things, but CA was always a bit messy with all this.

If you want the CEUs now, you would have to complete the test questions which are required by the National Certification Board (NCBTMB). The link to that is in your course manual. However you could also do the CEU certification at a later date. 

So you decide what works best for you. In either case I will send you the International Certificate now, and please let me know what you want to do about the CE certification.

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