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Course 11 – Summary

I will begin writing since now I have the time to do this and it is important for proof of practicing.

Indeed, it is not enough to know many stretches, but also how to connect them gracefully and this comes in time with a lot of practice. I benefit from having 3 to 6 clients a day for about a year now and it is somewhat easy for me to evolve in massage therapy. I am also a student on what in my opinion is the best therapeutic massage school in the world and I see many similarities between specific anatomic therapeutic maneuvers and thai yoga massage maneuvers that altough do not target specific problems and not always have a specific therapeutic intent it does have a great terapeutic end.

My aproach to graduating this course from now on will be every day practicing of the summary course after a previous lesson, like chi machine (wich I am getting better and better at and my girlfriend enjoys)

The first lessons on general foot massage i already learned (from the thai foot massage course) and practiced with my clients on the massage table and of course they feel good but I have not told them that they are from thai massage since only next year I will market this kind of massage after I get good at it.

Today is the first time I put in practice this summary and I get more and more familiar with working on floor and having smooth transitions from one place to another and being comfortable.

I will not write more today because it is very late, but I will make the habbit of posting as often as I practice.

I started talking to my customers and preparing them for next year when I will introduce thai massage in Iasi. When they hear thai massage they think of erotic massage and I will have a lot of preparation to do for making the market understand it has nothing to do with prostitution.

I also intend, after I become good at thay massage in your sistem of online learning, to also come to Thailand to receive massage and follow some school there (at Wat Po, near some temple), to make photos etc in order to be as best as I can be and very good at practing

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You have a good and systematic approach. You seem so professional that I cannot imagine how anyone could relate your Thai Massage to something erotic. If you market it with your picture, this will become obvious. It is different if someone markets Thai Massage with the picture of a pretty Thai woman in seductive clothes. But in your case it will be very easy to present it in the proper professional way, I think.

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Course 11 – Summary

Practiced this on my partner. She has very good flexibility I saw. Because she has a hiperlordosis from high heels I anticipated it would help her a lot, which has happened. I will do this session again tomorrow and write other more detailed feedbacks.

Some of the moves in the video I already made on the massage table, invented by me 🙂 It broadens my repertoire of moves on the massage table.

Thai Massage Support Material Lesson 14

Started reading about “The 11 healing arts systems of Thailand” and got to the story about how your wife healed. We, in Romania, have a lot of traditional medicine and healers and there many similar stories about strange medicines that heal aparently incurable disease. We even have traditonal surgical procedure, certain cut under the thong (that which help us talk, I don’t know the spelling and google translates as language) for example.

I saw that thai yogi exhibition in some other support material: not really impressive, I don’t think the clay he stayed on was that hot, but only the actual oil. Probably when oil is mixed with earth and paper there is somekind of termic isolation etc But that was interesting as “culture corner” and for the reverence of the viewers who did not comment on the potential “fraud”

Glad to fin out about Chi Nei Tsang and Karsai Nei Tsank, i will read more about it the next days. I have some scientific hipothesis ideas about why and how Gua Sha would actually stimulate some sistems in the body, includind the immune sistem. 

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Very relaxing! Just played a little with the moves.

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Great reading about your impressions and experiences! 🙂

The only thing is that your posting doesn’t follow any format, i.e. starting with module 1 and so on. For the certification program there is a format which is outlined in our certification check list here:

Certification Check List

I remember we had some interesting skype chats. We can continue our exchange here in the forum, but since this is the official record of the certification, it needs to follow the same format as in all the other threads. 

Looking forward to hearing more from you! 🙂

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Module 1

I ofer home massage services. Unfortunatelly there are many apartments where you do not have the space for a home thai massage on the floor. I tried to practice it in bed – no way!

Many of the moves in thai massage can be aplied on the table and they are very terapeutic and relaxing. Thai massage seems to sometimes be the best sports massage.

However, when I graduate your courses and some school in Thailand I am thinking about buying something like this 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bamboo-Dreams-Thai-Massage-Bodywork/dp/B01CUE7AI8/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1465945516&sr=8-18&keywords=thai+mattress

Indeed, working on the floor feels best and is a lot more permisive in moves and massage experience than on table. But, take into consideration that in many countries there are four seasons and only in summer you can really work on the floor without worying about getting cold – people are very sensitive to temperature in the rest of the seasons.

Regarding the theory that we transmit out emotions to our clients: oftentimes I am nervous or stressed about some issues and my clients perceive me as calm. I think that there some emotional protection between us and the clients. I do very good and calm massage altough I am stressed and worried. I could be full of wories and the client in a blisfull state that actually surprises me at the end of the session with his feedback.

And regarding the breathing you talked about at the end of the module: we should be very carefull not to breath in our clients face 😀

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This is a typical kind of mat which you see a lot in Thailand. However they are not used for Thai Massage, but just for sitting and lying on them. A good Thai Massage mat should have a flat surface, not a ribbed surface like those mats. Also this mat is not wide enough. It makes it much easier to have a wider surface to work on. Did you see this video already:

What is the best mat for Thai Massage?

You are right about the cold season. Here in Thailand we don’t really think about that since it is never cold. But I can imagine that this is a concern in cold countries. As you say, many Thai Massage moves can easily be done on a table as well. That takes people off a cold floor.

And you are also right about not breathing into client’s faces. During most Thai Massage techniques you are not really so close to their face that they would notice. However this is an important issue for my Heavenly Head Massage course where you work on head and face, and then you really are so close to someone’s face that you have to turn your head sideways to avoid breathing into their face.

This is interesting that clients do not notice when you feel stressed. You must have an overall calming energy about you that makes clients feel at ease, I imagine.

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Module 2 – Chi machine

I liked your statement that tradition means doing something for a long period of time without necesarily being improved – great definition of tradition. I just found out from one your videos that your wife is also a thai massage specialist with 16 years of practice – one more reason to get my best fullest atention.

The straight positioning you emphasize is of course something that I know it’s importance for spinal health from experience with table massage. Practicing it now on the floor I realize it is as important for spinal health as when I massage on the table, it is also a lot more comfortable. 

The chi machine feels very good and relaxing for the people I aply it on. I sometimes do something similar on the massage table. In general, I started including some good rocking in my table massage sessions. Most probably I will be a long time student of yours and I intend to follow all your courses – they are relaxing and in a good tempo. 

I also do some “chi machine” from the head down on the massage table, it also feels very good – i have not yet done this on the floor from a thai massage positioning.

You also have very good abilities of massage coaching and mental good attitude.

Thank you!

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Module 3 – Foot Massage

I am quite good at this, they also can be done and I do them on the massage table. I practiced a lot of this from the thai foot massage course. I a good flow of working these techniques.

I offered to some of my clients (other massage therapist mostly) full hour thai foot masage and the feedback is great. I will continue posting for my diploma on the thai foot course. 

In general, from watching these courses I integrated flow and complex flow movements in all my massage techniques. 

Push-pull-rotate released some good pain and was very therapeutic for stuck articulation in lumbars and the twisting feet out at a time I also do on the table and with both hands locking the foot. Shaking the foot up and down with slower motion is also very therapeutic from a myoscheletal alingment perspective. 

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Yes, my wife and I have been doing Thai Massage for about the same time, about 17 years now. We actually met in a massage shop 14 years ago. So we are a 100% massage family team. Our daughter has helped a lot with modeling for many of my videos.

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Module 16 – Shoulders

Pretty uncomfortable, I will practice again tommorow. 

Module 19 – second summary

I put in practice without having practiced previous modules. Some strechings seemed a little indecent for Romania 🙂 but I will practice again and again and again and I will find a way. Great, marvelous stretches!

I guess thai massage is the best possible sports massage. Some of the stretches I will adapt for the massge table. Very, very therapeutic this thai massage. Some of the techniques from thai massage I also found in best therapeutic massage schools in the world.

Module 11- summary

Everything was natural and enjoyable. I already did a lot of the techniques in there myself without having known them from thai massage.

 

Tomorrow I will practice module 4 and 5.

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I have found that in general people don’t feel that Thai Massage techniques feel a little indecent. Many new Thai Massage therapists are worried about this, but in actual practice this doesn’t seem to be a problem. There are some cases where this can be an issue, but this is mostly if the therapist is a female working on a man. There is an entire video in the Art Of Thai Massage bonus course dealing with this topic.

You are right, Thai Massage is probably the best sports massage! Smile

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MODULE 4, 5, 6 and 7

Hello Shama,

I can’t say nice to see you again because i followed your every article and post since three months ago i last posted on the forum. I tried a period to practice on familly and friends but you know how that goes practicaly: not always the time, not always the mood, not everytime available, sometimes other priorities.

So I decided to hire somebody, three times a week he comes to my home and I practice on him. Today was the first day and worked module 4, 5 and 6.

The only trouble I had was not yet being used to sitting on my legs that much time. This was the only difficulty.

MODULE 4

I was already familiar with it from the thay foot massage module wich i practiced all of it but have not posted on the forum. I will go trough thay foot massage module again and i will post. Something new from Thay Foot Course was the circular move that had i little bit of streching presented towards the end. I did not encounter any problems, all is clear.

MODULE 5

Getting used to controling my breathing on the technique; being aware at this makes me enjoy and relax more on the technique. It also controls the rithm of the massage – very important and interesting phenomena!… One note: i have to pause often to make massage to the other leg. Altough your course by far to perfection and far better than what an on site course might offer, i give you the ideea that on a summary there would be work on both legs so i could watch and practice wothout pausing and also see the transitions. Not important, just an ideea, it is like cleaning of little dust a big and beautifull room – by a big and beautiful room i mean the course.

I will practice again this module for workflow.

MODULE 6

Rocking the leg is so easy and comftable for the therapist, it seemed not so when just watching. I realize when practicing that i have to learn to feel a hole new world of sensing presures with my elbow and forearm. It is a little frustrating because i have never been offered a thay massage and i do not know how these moves feel! I yearn to feel on myself what i now practice. It was easy not accidentaly touching genitals, which did not seem that easy when just watching. I also hope that it will be easier for the cervical spine muscles when i would not need to watch my monitor when practicing the moves 🙂  

I realize it is essential conneting with the specifics of the client and solving with a limited seth of techniques some issues. I using all the techniques it could be a full day massage session. Those calf muscles techniques are great for also using them on the massage table.

On wednesday i will practice again module 5 and 6.

MODULE 7

I also practiced module 7 but i will do it again on wednesday and write the feedback, i feel like a need to get the hang of it a little more before saying something.

In general i do not feel like saying much, i feel like i need to practice the modules a couple of times but for the sake of the rules for the diploma i write here. It is best this way tough, it encourages people to interact with one another and participate in order to evolve.

Thank you! Just enroled to HEAVENLY HEAD MASSAGE! Can’t wait to receive my first lesson now that a have someone to practice on.

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Thanks for your suggestion from your post about module 5. This is actually something which I am planning to do for the entire course.

I know how it feels if you don’t experience it all on yourself. Believe it or not, even though I live in Thailand, the land of Thai Massage, I never get to experience many of the techniques which I am teaching. The reason is that I created them, and nobody else here knows how to do them. That goes especially for all my rocking techniques and also the Heavenly Head Massage techniques. I have seen them work beautifully hundreds of times on my clients, but many I have never experienced myself.

I am glad you understand that the forum posting is the only way how I can verify that course students are actually working with the material. And it is very helpful and inspirational for other students to be able to read the progress reports of others! Smile

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I practiced again from MODULE 2 to 8, and listen again to MODULE 1. I stopped and took notes during practice. It all goes very good, much better now that i hired someone to practice on. I had a lovelly four hours afternoon practicing again the foot modules again and it all goes smoother and more relaxing, without the tensionate attention on technique specific in the beggining.

MODULE 1

I am a more clinically, kind of anatomical and theorist in my aproach to massage but in this state of mind and attitudine i do not always have enjoyable sessions of massage when i forget about the time passing and be relaxed at the end of the session. I easily see and understant that therapist who are “energy oriented” enjoy more and feel better during and after a massage session. This is why I tried and succedeed to made a shift in my aproach and decided to asume the way you teach i should do thay massage. I decided i would do thay massage in your mindset. So I carefully practiced four hours of feel, gentle touch and propper breathing thay massage. The result is great: i do not know when the time passed, the rithm was so good that i did not feel like making an effort, breathing like you teach maked massage moves so much deeper and totally painless. I do not know how much i really connect with all sorts of energies, but “the energy approach” definetly makes the session enjoyable, relaxing and meditative for both the client and the therapist. Now that i listened again module I i could be more attentive because i did not listen without patience: “ok, can’t wait too see moves and practice”.

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MODULE 2 (again)

The right assumed mindset, attitudine, posture and breathing in a state of calmness made chi machine and enjoyable experience with which i played in different ways and understood it’s use. I enjoyed chi machine from the first time and of course i can’t wait to enroll in your rocking thay massage course. I would like to do similar “chi machines” with the whole body and from many angles. Again, I do not know about actual “chi” energy like feeling sen lines and seeing stuff but this practice when done calm and attentive, with care and meditation, do feel great. After I already practiced the first eleven modules, my attention was 100% procent at what you said about using body weight, not muscle, correct posture and alingment. Apllying all that and not twisting, but adapting positions, made all next modules a different experience than before. I also do not get tired anymore and my legs do not hurt because of long time sitting on ankles.

I enjoyed chi machine with lifted legs, quite interesting. Wathing again at MODULE 1 and 2 was practice changing and revealing.

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MODULE 3 (again)

Workflow improved, feel great and natural with techniques. Nothing to comment. This third time that i practice all this i feel so comfotable and natural that compared to other types of massage seems like not being massage, like not actually working, but somehow connecting and playing.

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MODULE 4 (again)

You have very good ways to make me rember sequences: like this 8 ways to work with the feet, and the 8 angles pie you mentioned at stretching. Makes things much easier. The more often I do the techniques the more i remember them all. I have nothing to comment. Developing touch for thay massage has it’s own specifics than, let’s say, developing touch for manual therapy. I feel complete as a massage therapist as i evolve in thay massage also. Different aproaches to, for example, lombar disfunctions, but sometimes all the same as effective as an osteopathic protocol, altouch not always that targeted. 

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MODULE 5 (again, it is the third time i do this module but not always in a mood for writting and then sometimes i do not organise myself sufficient to have time to write, but i want to be proud of your certificate and that is why i write)

Warmup! This word rings many bells! My manequine is very stiff, he is the stifness in person and i feel very lucky about that! Why? Because i like difficult scenarios and learning from them. Last week, in three sessions I practiced from MODULE 1 to MODULE 11 on him. He was stiff at the end of modules. He did not release, i do not know why but I enjoyed using pillows as in the video for his confort.

Anyway, today, when i got to stretching MODULE 7 I realized he released his stifness by 40% which i did not think posible. I do not know wheter it is because i changed my practice and today i worked with feel, energy, bodyweight and breathing or wheter it was a full four hours thay massage session. Maybe both. Experience will show me more in the future.

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MODULE 5

One dificulty was at warming up hamstrings and quadriceps with two hands (that push, pull): my manequin has long legs and stabilizing his one leg with one of mine than leaning forward hurt my back but i managed to develop another thay way of securing the leg 🙂 for getting in a comftable position. 

One note: the fingers sometimes tickle the client, so i had to use other metods (palms for example) for achieving the purpose of warming up.

MODULE 6

Totally different way to warmup the leg; I preffer this way better for a lot of reasons. Thumbs just do not feel as appropiate for hamstring and quadriceps. Again, good for my memory those 5 anatomic and sen lines corespondence. THIS MASSAGE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR ME THAN SWEDISH ON THE TABLE WITH OIL. I feel like i am a child at play wondering if anybody would pay for something like this :-)) I sometimes ask the client if he feels good because i cannot relate to the techniques, they have never been done on me and it seems like i don’t do something too effectfull, but the feedback is very good and i am glad.

Contrary to apearences maneuvers in the groin area did not hurt or be at all unpleasent for the client.

Getting used to sinking in with body weight, a whole new world of experience for me.

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MODULE 7

Useful tip about hip positioning by watching legs positioning.

Note: my manequine was very stiff and now he is not. He was so stiff that i did not expect him to release, especially because of saying “i’ve always had little mobility”. 

MODULE 8

Glad to hear that stretches are the maximum of dificulty, they are indeed most tiresome of all. In fact, they were because now that i am carefull about ergonomics and breathing, feeling and calmness, i do not get tired at all, not even bored.

I just understood “the pie” of posible leg stretching directions it is in horizontal plane, not vertical “as seens on tv” Now it all makes sense, I did not understand how a leg could go trough the floor 🙂

One question: are there going to be spinal stretches with knee on paravertebral muscles or on the glutes in the course? 

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