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MODULE ONE

NAMASTE TO ALL. Happy to be part of this forum and school.

Thank you, Shama for this knowledge. I already enjoyed these two modules, first because you speak about breath (over the last 10 years I dedicated my work to teach people how to breathe properly and how to heal body and mind with pranayama. Especially love your simplicity. That was exactly what I was looking for. When I was in my University, thought a lot of anatomy,  but when I started with yoga and meditation, I tried to forget all that and to use more energy and intuition.

Love this second module, because a few years ago I brought chi exerciser from India and I use it a lot for helping people. Usually,[Image Can Not Be Found] I teach golden fish exercise in our yoga classes, how to do it on their own.  Some of my treatments I also start with this chi exercise, but today you thought me how I can do it more ergonomic, with less effort. So, thank you very much.  Happy to continue this course. 

Namaste

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Hi Leonardo, welcome to our forum and to the Complete Thai Massage certification program. I am happy to have someone with your background in this program, and I am glad that you could relate so well to the first two modules. Smile

Regarding the organization of your forum posts, it seems that you need to watch or re-watch the second video on the Certification Tutorial page (you can access this by clicking on the Certification Information banner in the sidebar of your membership portal). 

I have fixed a few things for you already, like I changed your forum name to your full name so that you can be found. I changed the topic title from FIRST FEEDBACK to the correct version, and I have added the module number at the top of your post. 

Also please take a moment and familiarize yourself with our certification checklist which is like a short version of the certification tutorial:

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I am looking forward to reading your posts and observing your progress! Smile

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MODULE 1

I use most of the positions you demonstrated, mostly supine, prone, and sitting in my treatments. I will practice more the side position. This side position I mostly use in acupressure for ischiadicus problems. In each yoga class I use some of this technique on my students who have problems with sitting during pranayama work.  I had great 1 great experience with a teenage girl. Her back muscles were like without prana. She couldn't sit straight. So I used my feet on her back to stretch her spine. Usually, whatever I do, I chant in my mind (healing mantras). The next time she came, she had the correct sitting position during the class. Her sitting position was radiating with strength. 

I have a question about the sitting therapist's position. Is it ok for me to use yogic sitting like lotus position?

I love that you speak about breath in first module. For over the last 15 years I dedicated my work to teach people how to breathe properly and how to heal body and mind with pranayama (breathing exercises). In each reiki or other healing session I do, I teach my clients how to breathe properly, full yoga breath.  For me, energy is the most important thing. So each day I meditate and use other tools and techniques to keep my energy levels high.  

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You had started a new thread and again posted about module 1. So I combined your new thread with your old one - everything fine now. Smile

Just make sure that you only click on 'Add Reply' and NOT on 'Add Topic' for creating new posts from now on.

Regarding your question about using yogic positions: I am not into creating rules, but prefer creativity and inspired action. If something works well for you, then by all means you can do that.

Based on my experience, I try to make it as easy for clients as possible. I don't ask them to do anything that is not absolutely necessary. However if you work with yogis, that may be different. So therefore I cannot compare your clients with mine.

In general, yoga is an active experience, and receiving a Thai Massage is a passive experience. But there are yoga teachers who combine the two into their own system, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just because I teach it in one way doesn't mean that this is the only way. It's just what has worked well for me over the years. Smile

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Namaste Shama and thank you for the fast reply and these forum corrections.  I wrote about this on the Facebook group, and I read your reply. It was really very interesting for me to see your topic about Chi machine because these days I was searching something more about this topic.  

A few years ago I met with a "Golden fish exerciser" in India, and I brought it home with me. SO here, where I live, exactly in Dalmatia, seashore, there is a legend that we are lazy people. So I am joking in yoga classes that Shavasana pose and supine position was invented here 😉  The same thing about this " Golden fish exerciser", I knew it will be great for this community 🙂  

In covid lockdown time, I didn't always have the opportunity to use this machine in my treatments, so I tried to stimulate the movement with my hands. Most of the time, I used a lot of muscles, especially my arms.  I did the movement from the sumo squat, and sometimes from the sitting pose.  But I didn't have the right technique until I saw your video. So thank you very much, this helps a lot. When I saw you and how simple movement really is, I immediately tried it on my wife (she is also yoga teacher and my big support). 

Also, I like that you incorporate this different technique from other styles and cultures 🙂 

Just a few questions about chi machine movement.

Do you have a time limit? 

Do you use this with pregnant clients? If yes, for how long?

Thank you for your reply. NAMASTE 

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I am happy to hear that you finally found a Chi Machine version that is effective and easy to do. Smile

It is fine if you start out with about 1 minute of Chi Machine. By that time you should get the full effect. If you can do it longer, that's fine too. The issue is that if you do it for a long time, it can hurt your ankles after a while. There is also such a thing as overdoing it where it starts to feel weird to the client. So I would keep it between 1 and 2 minutes max.

Regarding pregnancy, there is an article in the course that discusses working on pregnant women which goes into more detail. There are several factors. The gentle Chi Machine should feel fine for pregnant women, but you have to consider that in the first trimester the risk of miscarriage is the highest, and in the last trimester I would think that the Chi Machine would be a bit too much due to the big belly.

The thing is that you don't want to run the risk of being blamed for a miscarriage. It is better to be safe than sorry, as the saying goes.

Especially on new clients I would probably avoid it. If you know the client, and there is some trust, I suggest you ask how the move feels to them, and if they feel that it is beneficial for them. I have worked on pregnant women, and I communicate a lot more with them than with non-pregnant women. I invite them to listen to their body and give me feedback. 

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NAMASTE, 

I am very lucky because working with a lot of students gives me the opportunity to try out all the moves. Usually, in between my yoga classes, my students come up to me to ask for some advice or some short quick adjustment for headache, back pain, knee pain, etc. So the other day my sister was at the class, and after she asked what more can she do about her lower back, so I tried the first 2 feet movement you showed in the video, on her. She loved it. Usually, when I do acupressure, I do it in the motion of press and release and press and release.... so when I saw that you combine the pressure with the body movement, that was really nice in my opinion, so I went and tried it immediately 🙂  

My sister said - the feeling was liberating and I wished that massage would last forever. 🙂 

Due to the fact that I was already in the massage business, I tried your moves from the free videos you sent (even before I took on this Thai massage course)... and the feedback from my clients was amazing.

Also, a few days ago I did this move to one student. She was a professional basketball player and has some back issues. She is also a physiotherapist.  Her words are - I would call this "first aid". I have problems with my lower back. After these movements, I had a really pleasant feeling in my feet, my ankles felt really light, felt relief in my back, and release on the pressure in the lumbar spine. 

So these are just a few feedbacks, and I will continue to practice all these moves. 

Thank you...

Namaste

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These are quite impressive feedbacks, especially so early on in the course. You must be doing a good job with this! But then again, you have the perfect background. Smile

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Thank you 🙂 Even though I do have a lot of healing work behind me, I still have to practice these moves to feel inside that flow, especially this circular motion with squeezing the feet. But for me, the best part is the pleasure of learning new things that helps people. Really each day I have the opportunity to practice these moves, and people like them a lot.  The last client from yesterday told me that she felt like she never wanted me to stop the moves, especially the circular one on the feet, like my sister from a few days ago. So you can call this " Never stop moves" ;). 

I also tried this on one boy, who injured his leg. He fell on a fence and the pike ruptured through his leg (under right hip). After surgery, he couldn't walk and he spent many days laying in the bed. The tissue in the wound became so stiff that it pressured the nerves, and he was in real pain, he was feeling his heel a lot, and didn't want to put his inner soul, and big toe on the ground. Doctors told him to walk and use his leg, but he was too afraid. But he trusted me because I teach him yoga for a couple of years, so he gave me permission to work on his leg.  For me, it was like surgery. Our therapy mat was his bed. He lost the ROM in the leg and couldn't straighten them, especially laying on his belly. So slowly I touched his feet, did some of these moves, and after some stretching... I after this, he stood up and a few hours later his mum sent me a video of him walking the stairs.  

Maybe sometimes I can send you some photos of him and that video. 

So, thank you for sharing this very beneficial knowledge.  Expect a lot of these stories from work with clients, because I work a lot with people who have health issues like multiple sclerosis etc. I hope that is alright. 

Namaste 

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"Never-stop-moves" - that's a good one, I have to remember that! Smile

I like this story so much that I will share it in the facebook group. and of course, I would love to see any photos or videos you have about this case.

By the way, I have had success working with Multiple Sclerosis clients with Thai Massage in my practice. So I know that it is possible.

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Namaste, I am really glad to hear that you had a positive experience working with MS.  And thank you for sharing that story on FB.  

These moves are very interesting. Push and pull is a bit of a challenge, I am going to work on my rhythm more:) I am writing some feedback from my students. 

On one I tried only the butterfly move on the upper leg, and she said it felt amazing, refreshing, and pleasant. This gave her the strength to go back to work. 

On the other student, I tried all the moves. When I worked on her calf, at the beginning it was stiff and I reduced the pressure a bit... Her feedback is that it was just right. 

I have a question. When you talk about feeling and the magic of touch, what are you thinking about? Feeling in the palms (hot/cold in terms of inflammation), stiffness of the muscles,  or something else... 

Thank you 🙂 

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When I talk about feeling, I am referring to not just using your hands to do something with, but to use them as a listening and sensing tool. It is a shift in focus when you are becoming aware of what is happening under your hands:

Does it feel hot or cold, tight or relaxed, accepting or rejecting your touch, peaceful or agitated? Can you feel any knots or any old trauma? Does it feel like stuck energy or like flowing energy?

You feel what's coming back to you from the client's body and energy instead of just pressing, pushing, pulling, and rubbing. In this way you heighten your power of perception and feel what your client needs most.

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Thank you. So this is a great opportunity to practice all you wrote. I use my palms and thumbs a lot so the forearm moves are a great asset for me. Moves from this module I tried on my wife. Smile

This is what she said: "This was interesting and very enjoyable...I very much enjoyed the attention to detail when adjusting various parts of the body. Due to the fact that I have pain in my right knee, these moves certainly helped with relaxing the area around my knee and my leg overall. Liked the elephant walk the most."

Like this alternative when someone has sensitive calves. Thank you.

NAMASTE 

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Just to add something to the feeling and sensing part - you can definitely develop more sensitivity in forearms, elbows, knees, and feet. But the best sensitivity is clearly in the hands and fingers. That's why it is a good idea, if someone has a problem, to first use the hands to explore before using other body parts like elbows or knees.

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Namaste,

these days I practiced these movements on my yoga students. Yesterday after yin yoga class, I checked their hips, but also I gave them the assignment to lay down into the butterfly pose and to feel which hip and leg felt stiffer than the other. 

So I did the moves on their stiffer leg. They were very excited about trying this and they all said that their legs felt so much lighter and that it increased the range of motion.  I have a regular practice with my yoga students that after yoga class, who wants to try the new moves from the module stay behind. So they are very happy with this opportunity. 

Today one of my students wanted to try these moves because she has problems with her right hip (she thinks that this also caused her vein problem in the right leg). These problems for her started after her last birth. She has a feeling that her hips are not aligned. 

So I checked, and her hip bones were aligned, but her inward rotation was a lot better than outward. I did the moves, and she said that she felt so light in her legs, that now she can do anything. So I asked her to check some yoga moves which are usually a problem for her, she tried them and she was able to do them with no problem, and with a lot more ROM. She went home with a smile. 

My question is - I found some photos of this boy I mentioned earlier, but how do I post them here ( I have them on Gravatar), or should I send them via mail or msg?

Thanks a lot Smile

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You are in such a great situation that you can practice on your yoga students and combine it with your yoga teaching.

To show an image in your forum post, the image must have a url, an address or link. It is easier to post an image in the facebook group.

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Namaste,

I had the opportunity to practise these moves on one student with a lot of problems; she removed the thyroid gland, also has back pain for 25 years. She has shifted c4-c6 in the cervical spine, crushed th6 in the thoracic and shifted and operated part in the LS segment of the spine. Chronic pain increases with age.

I gave her whole warming up, and a lot of work with feet. She said that immediately after the procedure, her mobility increased and pain decreased. Work on calves was a painful part for her, but she said that it seems to help the most in "opening" the body segments. Regular procedures, such as foot, leg and hip work significantly alleviate her chronic ailments.

Thank you 🙂

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There is a lot of really great back work coming up in the course later on. I can't wait to see how you apply this on such clients and what feedback you will be getting. 

I get the impression that you are destined to be a healer.

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Namaste Shama and thank you for these kind and inspiring words 🙂 I had opportunities to learn Thai massage here in Croatia, but I never felt nor that was the right time nor the right teacher connection... until one day a foreigner was passing by my yoga studio, my wife was leading a dance class, and I was sitting by the door... he looked inside and smiled at me, I smiled back and we started to talk.. he booked a treatment (treatment with chi machine and gun massager and Delfin massager) with me for the next day.( I saw something similar in one of your videos 🙂 ) When he came for treatment, he said that he was a Thai massage practitioner and that he was actually in Thailand for 3 months course... he showed me some moves from Thai massage that he felt could be of use for me... That was the first time I took the lesson with an open heart, and from then on I started to learn Thai moves and I've been incorporating them in my practice with my students...

Even though up until that time I was using the moves I learned in India from my Guru, moves like spine adjustments, spine cracking, which my students like to call "a quick fix", shoulder adjustments, belly massage of acupressure points, and so on...

And one day I saw your Thai massage school, and I knew, that was it. The school for me... so thank you once again for the opportunity.

Now about this module. 🙂

I tried this on my wife.  This week I had a lot of sup yoga classes, my thumbs really got tired from paddling. My wife injured her heel, so for warm-up on her feet I had to more be gentle, but I used my palm heels instead of thumbs. She loved it. Warm-up for the upper leg I used forearms and for calves used palm heels. 

In hamstring stretches I couldn't grab her heel, I grab an ankle and she enjoied it very much - it released her lower back. I tried all alternations you shoved in the video. 

Thank you 🙂 

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Great story, Croatia is lucky to have you! I love reading your posts. Smile

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