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Karin Secrest
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May 11, 2019 - 5:38 am
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Set up - more to come...Smile

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Knee Therapy 1

Finally, I got around to write a couple of notes of ow to holistically practice on the knee area. I am glad to be back and looking deeper into specific areas of the body is much what I look forward too.

It is always good to get a little intro into the anatomy of the knee again. Again there was the reminder that energy flow, restriction and blockages can be a cause for trouble and we need to help to open up the areas of distress in order to cteaye positive change.

This course does not have many modules and since I have some clients with knee problems, I want to be able learn how to do other things besides what I did before which was warming up the area with hot rocks, pressure points (which are helpful but can be a bit sharp), stretches and general massage, I will make myself a list with all the techniques to put near my work to look up. Till the flow takes over this may just be what I want to need.

1. Wrapping hands above knee and grip and lift (squeeze) circularly  with variable methods of pressure and then release was felt as very good of course right from the start.

2. Hand under the knee and over the knee, slide up under the knee – then lift pull back and release, right hand left hand method, alternating... was slow on my part to learn as this needs to be practiced some more.

3. Circular movements pushing knee cup out and various spots first with thumb (moving knee cup outward) and then with the fingers pressuring the outer knee cup (moving knee-cup inward).

4. Hollow hand to encompass the knee cup and circle in a rotational fashion moving up and down with variable pressure through leaning in

To create the flow the leaning in was important as this creates a certain flow. I need to keep that in mind as I tend initially to be more technically interested than flow interested but flow always comes in anyway once the reasoning mind is integrated into the flow.

Knee Therapy 2

(I want to remember: almost always use variable pressure as that mostly feels better)

1. Wiggle method: wrap hand around the knee slide fascia up and down parallel to the floor, changing spots with variable increasing and decreasing pressure and speed. This method was not a problem and who would go to the end-feel anyway to overstretch which does not feel good.

2. Circular motion with fingers and thumb, circles variable done, almost naturally, a bit faster than the palm circles which has been don in the previous module.

3. Energy points below and above the knee was easily to be felt and circularly pressured in a variable fashion, means: more pressure moving in and less pressure moving outward… they are fun… 🙂

4. Lift knee under the knee with index finger and lean back, roll down and lighten up and releasel and upper gastrocnemius.

5. Angle changed and we use the middle finger her to do the circular motion, pull up and circle the lower hamstrings (Lift – roll back release).

6. Rocking Movements… they are great to loosen up the structure. Angle needs to be open up a bit. Hold foot with your knees. Middle fingers are the main guide as the others fingers support the work.

The process is: Left hand lift – move over – relax, right hand – move over – relax, first slow and than fast. Change finger positions to move across the popliteal fossa.

This method did not come as easily… my rocking needs to start slowly and gradually but thanks to your precision explanations I can get it and gradually increase speed.

7. Wiggle Methods: moving fascia for and pack with alternating hand, using carious parts of the hand first done vertically parallel and the perhaps circular.

I noticed that I often did not use my body and it was good to get reminded that the entire body can be moved. I know this needs to be repeated as I as a learner keep forgetting as I often process rationally first and then allow the energy of the flow to take over.

Alone thee 2 lessons alone felt so satisfying to be done together that I would think that that alone would loosen up some structures enough to release tightness.

I am glad to be back really… I like to look into the well explained details and appreciate them a lot. The more there is explained the more will stick.

I notice that I need to go slowly through the process as I tend to rush things and forget even were I had difficulties. Hence these posts become long as I try to remember what I did.

Thank you Shama… I am happy to be here. I am glad about your art of precissionwork as you explain the various steps. In this way I notice my shortcomings in the learning process so much better.

 

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If these are a 'couple of notes', I want to know how a good size post of yours would look like - like a major essay with 10 pages? Laugh

With you I never have to worry about a lack of detail, and it is super obvious that you are really practicing this material. Smile

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It is obvious but honestly, I have not enough time on hand to really become super good at it. Hence, that is why this is a path. It can take many years to integrate the information and the flow. the good thing is, I invent also my own strokes 🙂 - especially when "the flow energy" sets in and my Verstand is relaxed. Yes, I want to know what the goal is of the session but I also want to follow the "flow." It all has a space. 

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Knee Therapy 3

1. Rocking the leg to the natural rhythm

The warrior pose sitting position for rocking the leg, I sometimes put one of the square Thai pillows under to sit on and in that way there is even less stress on the joints.

The rocking way is very integrating aspect as it involves the entire leg. This move was not new and easy to explore some more. It is easy to see how this move frees up the knee and the entire leg across several joints.

2. The hand over hand position doing circular motion at the inner part of the knee, with increasing pressure downward and decreasing pressure upward, using the entire body to move the circles at the side of the knee at different spots…

Using the entire body is always a good reminder and I can't hear it enough. I can at times forget.

3. Hand over hand wiggles up and down applied in a fluid.

I liked the way you explain the increase and decrease of pressure going up and down or in a circular way. It possibly comes naturally for most people to practice that way but it is nice to be aware of it.

I have a couple if clients which would benefit greatly from these methods and I can't wait till they come in.

 

Knee Therapy 4

1. Sit cross legged: put leg over thigh straight, one hand goes below knee to push, bend and lift knee with your left hand, move the knee in a push/pull, lift and roll, looks a bit like kneading fashion back and forth. Fingertips go to the hamstring tendon. It's indeed like w wave like motion.

2. Inside the leg is now bend inward and inner knee joint will be circled at various spots, looks like a 3 finger rotation, This area is often very tight on people and I can see that the muscle would have to release. Even my practice friend, who is very limber was tensed there.

3. Lift left knee upward, block foot, pushing leg a bit over and forward… heel of left hand wiggles the outside sideways at various spots. The other hand holds the inner tibia in space. Again, here we used various parts of the hand to create comfort also in the giver and not just the receiver.

4. Leg is over the knee, sitting between the leg…. Lower hand is reaching around till fingertips touch hamstring tendon, and again we push, lift and roll just like the other side (done was the inside – here we do the outside leg.

5. Repeat the wiggling with heal of hand. Here we used the forearm, support the other part of leg, which feels very nurturing, used also sideways rolling down and out – used counter pressure with the lower hand. Supporting the knee. These moves can easily encompass other parts of the inner thigh.

This definitely requires some repetition as the usage of the forearm needs to be explored some more. There is much precision to fully integrate.

Thank you for you fluid explanation going into details really good.

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Regarding your comment that you invented your own techniques - this is excellent. This is exactly what I have done throughout my career, and this is how I came up with all these techniques. It's called 'creativity'. Smile

Yesterday my wife and I were walking around in the city, and my left knee started to give me trouble and it hurt. So we sat down on a park bench, I put my left leg across her legs, and she worked on my knee for 20 minutes or so. She actually came up with some moves that I had not done myself, because that's what worked in this situation - both of us sitting on a park bench.

When she was done, my knee felt like new again, like she had poured oil into the joint. This stuff works! 

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Lol, I can imagine how your working on a bench and notice my smiles. You both have an energy which spreads happiness out (at least to me). 

Hip Therapy Part 5

Recently, I became too busy with the world (the garden and planting) and I thought  that I would remember my knee routine but I was mentally with garden (It easily is too much dealing with garden work). When I practiced that day, I actually forgot a lot and could not remember enough to satisfy my need to absorb the material. That was interesting to observe, as I thought that the ways to work your beautiful routine is self explanatory... and it is.

The last part of video No. 5  put it into place… especially he last part were you demonstrated the routine with your easy flow energies. It all made sense again. I realized that what I don't use I lose and that is why continued practice matters.

Tomorrow I will practice some more…. It's fun and relaxes my busy mind...  and more needs to be absorbed. I need this practice. The more I appear to learn the more practice is really needed to integrate. 

However, I also need to trust my flow… I know it happens once I surrender...

This was a lovely class class.

Thank you Shama. I am looking forward to the shoulder class in a couple of weeks.

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I am not sure if you posted to share or if you want a certificate. We normally don't issue certificates for our shorter courses with less than 6 modules,  but if you want a certificate, I can easily make one for you anyway. Let me know. Smile

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Dear Shama, No need for a Certificate right now. I have enough credits for the next 2 years. I just want to learn.

So when a student does not require a certificate, it is not needed to post here and share? How do the people work who just want to keep learning but are in need of nothing besides that? Perhaps I should not post then...  I had no idea. just following old patterns.

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It is only required to do the forum posting if someone wants a certificate. However I think that it is great for course students to post anyway because it enables interaction with myself, and it adds more focus to the learning experience.

In actual practice it is very rare that anyone posts without wanting a certificate unfortunately. So I really appreciate that you do that! Smile

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It's a nice of not wonderful way to be in touch to be sure. Yet, of your are overworked being online too much then I would not want to be a burden at all.

I can't wait to come back to Thailand again. This time, we will manage the trip to Pai, I learned how not to get sea sick.

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You are never a burden to me, Karin! Smile I like your company.

How did you manage to overcome seasickness, or car sickness, more specifically? My wife has been struggling with this her entire life. If there is a way to overcome this, she would love to know about it.

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