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Hi, here I am happily back again taking the Thai Rocking Massage Course. This course will bot be for credit as I have enough already but I will take some notes as well for later. I am so looking forward to this class. I just saw the first video and what I notice is how systematically the different rocking styles are presented. I am already familiar with some rocking styles, having taken a Traeger Class long ago and taken session in it, but the way this class is systematized is unique already and that is why I take this class. I like the way these classes are structured.

I wonder if certain vibrational techniques would fall also under the wiggle approach (you used your fingers on the abdomen). Vibration could be vibrating the belly with the heal of the hand. Anyway, this is not in contrast just what came to mind.

I am so happy to be here now again. We have Indian Summer (like) weather and it is perfect to start again some learning.

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What I call 'rocking' is really an umbrella name for rocking, wiggling, shaking, circling, vibrating, and swinging - in other words motion techniques instead of more static techniques where you just press on one point. So yes, the abdominal vibrating could be called a wiggle technique and falls under the broader category of 'rocking'.

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Thai Rocking Course 2 Chi-Machine

We went over the Chi Machine. I remember that once I did  for 5 minutes when I first learned it. I thought a machine goes forever and hence it should be going on for a long time. Now I practice it a minute or 2 perhaps. It is naturally very much part of my life at this point. The end we did the leg pulling with one foot fastened against the upper kneeling leg, was easy enough to do, and I can see how it readjust the sacrum for those who tend to be sensitive there. It is a good tool to have knowing how to move the hop tp the opposite direction reducing restriction.

 

Rocking Course Video 3 - Leg rocking

The leg rocking into the direction of restriction with the hand holding the knee in place - so we can rock the upper and lower leg alternatively was very nice to practice. It was wonderful to practice.

Overall, I always kew that any kind of rocking, jostling, vibrating of tissue and joints, wiggling, is very beneficial as it moves lymph and interstitial fluids... it is such a nice way to reduce adhesions and stiffness. I am very grateful to practice this in a special way.

Greetings! 🙂  - Thank you again.

Happy here!

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Happy to see you back, Karin! Smile

The chi machine for 5 minutes is way overkill, both for your clients and for your knees and ankles! 1-2 minutes is much better.

I am glad you like the leg rocking. This technique is one of my staples and has proved to be a therapeutic gem!

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September 15, 2018 - 2:52 am
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leg rocking - not Leck rocking... not sure how that error happened... and yes... this course is great fun... 🙂

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I edited and fixed it. Smile No problem, happens easily and all the time with many people. I can always 'divine' what is meant. Laugh

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Thank you Shama for correcting me.

As you noticed I am a bit slow right now. Its harvest time and much to do. I feel no rush. 

Rocking Course Video 4 – Hip rocking

This practice was a repeat of some things I did before (in other classes) except we added some more rocking. I remember the ankle rotation well as I practice that one. I like how slowly you explained this once more, using the body. There is always something to get better and improve. The mobility in the hip joint is being felt over the 3 joints here. I could swear that the leg also lengthened that way. The hip rotation rocking with bend knee (90 Degree)... I was surprised how fast this rocking became - the rocking speed - was astonishing to me.

That the bent leg does not want to drop down sideways - is a very common problem as the adductor muscles are tight or the sacrum, hip joint (etc.) has a problems. I liked throwing the leg up and down as my practice person was so easy to relax... Walking the hand down the stretched out sideways adductors (knee bent) was an easy opening in that case. I got to experience the lesson myself as my friend loves to also practice on me. So, I am lucky that I doo get to feel the lesson and not just practice. 

This was a very wonderful lesson and I am grateful to practice whenever time (means me) permits.

Much to you Shama till soon.

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Nothing wrong with taking it slowly. After all, you have the main training down, and now you are adding and refining. That can be a lifetime endeavor!

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Rocking Course Video 5 – Hip Rocking & Spinal Twist

For some reason rocking "appears" very self-explanatory, yet it is not that easy at times as it looks in the video of ours, and hence it is so good to explore and look the art of it in detail and alternatively. Looking into the different ways of doing things - not in a mechanical way but more so in a revealing and flowing manner is always part of my path. I had to re-adjust myself couple of times as my legs are not as long (I realize that your legs must be rather long). 🙂 enough, the leverage can be seriously off. When I had the foot resting into the upper thigh I had problems opening the supporting opposing thigh into a secure position far enough away from the body. The position felt unstable... I readjusted myself. 

Putting the hands around the knee with the foot resting at the upper thigh – rocking right and left was easier. The sideways rocking is extremely loosening to the hip joints.

The movements with the flat fingertips – scooping out the pain and metabolic blocks... at the groin area is very integrated in me.

The spinal twist was harder as the practice person was larger and my whole rocking appeared a bit weak and contrived. Even stepping over the person giving stability with my foot wrapping over his foot – did not feel that stable. I am sure it will be easier with a lighter person. The leverage felt off.

Still, it's and was wonderful to see how rocking generally helps to loosen up the tight muscles -- especially in the elderly. It's like Star Track - doing the rocking - resistance is futile ;-).

Rocking Course Video 6 – Hip rocking 3

Having the hands on both side on the hips (the grip area) or the outside of the hips was working wonderfully. This lesson gave me the flow I like to be in. Moving up and down the rib cage in various ways got me going. I always like how slow you explain things... as "I like to have the ever new beginner mind". The biggest mistake for a practitioner is always the idea that one is so advanced in this and that and then one misses out some important inspirations along the way.

I liked the rocking – changing sides – which I am not that fluid – I decided to explore this move in standing position as my client was too big to put a leg over. I had a 10 bound sandbag which I put on the upper thigh to hold the leg down while both if my hand lifted the hip and buttocks. It was slightly tensing my lower back but not bad – I doubt I could do this pose for too long though but there are always other ways to do re-adjust.

Pushing the torso back and forth with one of the hands hands on the rib cage and the other hand at the hip worked well with the arm supported at the lower leg. Here the flow took over again. 

Overall one gets the pattern of rocking better and better.... and depending on the leverage and size of clients it is easy to re-adjust. I think I can not do Thai without rocking after this class. It also feels incredible to receive that as another friend always wants to return the favor and practices on my.

Rocking really reveals itself in its own way... as the client bounces back according to their intrinsic way at this point.

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This was a really detailed explanation of your practice experience - I feel like I was there watching you!

It is a fact that size and weight of a client will force us to adapt our position and our body mechanics, and in some cases will prevent us from doing a technique on a particular person. Of course this goes for Thai Massage in general, since this is a modality which requires a lot of body manipulation - and this simply does not work equally well on every single person.

This is great that you have a friend who can do the rocking techniques on you. You know, the fact is that I have done the rocking moves on countless clients, but I myself have never experienced all my rocking techniques on myself. The reason being, of course, that I created most of those techniques, and they are not known here in Thailand at all. So I will just have to be satisfied with providing the experience to others.

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Rocking Course Video 7 – Abdominal Rocking

I was lucky to do the gentle rocking, sliding the knees under her sacrum - it was easy to jostle sideways, using the forearms on the adductors sliding out, was a very nice technique, flowing well and easily... as my person was tiny... the lifting and swinging sideways was also coming natural.

The various ways of lifting the pelvis and swinging them sideways was working out nicely. Too bad I can't do that on heavier people, they need that the most.

The abdominal rocking under and over the belly is synchronicity is so natural and easy coming that remembrance will be permanent...

A very artistic video indeed.

 

Rocking Course Video 8 – Chest and Shoulders

Right left rocking on the rib cage, straddling over was too low for me as my hip did hurt... but I experienced this work when my client friend did it on me and it has a particular nurturing flavor. 

The chest work, at the thymus gland area, circle hand over hand, was instantly moving into a flow, I forgot leaning in when I watched the video but once I lean the circles continues on, it's a matter of being aware about watching the movie and at the same return into the flowing moment. The chest work with already as we did these moves at the Complete Thai Massage Course using weight, breathing, not over-stretching the skin is really common sense.

Shoulder rocking techniques was coming natural... amazing how the entire body rocks along... Shoulder rotation straddling over the body was a bid hard as I have some imbalances right now in my hip (which I work on daily via neuro-plasticity of Somatic Yoga). So this was not easy today, but tomorrow is a different day... a very nice move indeed.

I love rotating the shoulders (straddling) ---- ending in a spinal twist.... was easy enough - but again it is important to stay away from the rib cage.... as I forgot to put the arm alongside the ribcage... I came to close t the ribcage.... the client however lets you know about the discomfort this could cause.

Thanks again for this beautiful and artistic lesson...

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Regarding heavier clients - the fact is that the heavier they get, the more techniques we need to exclude in order not to strain ourselves. That goes especially for smaller female therapists. But that's where all the elbow, knee and foot techniques come in to allow us to work effectively on large clients. I do a lot of rocking with those body parts as well. 

I made this course many years ago. Since then I have come up with so many more and new ways to use motion techniques. So this course is a foundation, but with some creativity you can multiply the uses of rocking moves. Once you get the idea, you can find so many uses for this - it's amazing! Smile

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Thank you! So true, I am already rocking on on my own... in order to adjust to table as well.

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Rocking Course Video 9 – Arms

Winging the arm and down - lifting and circling creates a nice flow from the start as the arms are easier to handle. No problems here as the client was as relaxed as the model in your video. The later kneading part, rolling the shoulder back enjoyable to practice. The rocking part given, up and not a problem. down the arm holding the middle was similar to the leg part and is easy to integrate. Rhythm is not a problem as these counts come naturally too - as a flow - according to the natural swing and need of the body. I liked the part were i was relaxed and observed. It was masterfully done and I still need to master it a bit better. It was a joy watching you.

 

Thanks Shama... soon more to come.

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And it is a joy for me to read that you are getting into the flow of it all! Smile

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Rocking Course Video 10 – Sacrum and Back Rocking

I must admit that I have a hang on the sacrum massages which I looked into in earlier courses and have used ever since. It's getting refined over time and I like that.

I noticed that "not missing a beat? in the rhythm does not always flow as my transitions are wimpy in the legs. No matter how much I strengthen them daily, and I seem to gain good strength for even hiking uphill but not enough to transition over the clients body on the floor without problems as my quads just are not strong enough to puck myself up with the swing. Working on it and that is really the healing part for me. 🙂

Strangely, I have so many clients with sacrum problems suffering from joint problems in the hip that these courses really help them a lot. The right/left Piriformis release through leaning on the Glutes with the knees going up and down and outward was very effective and very strong.

Ricking the sacrum and counting in various speeds up and down the erectors was another favorite. Trying different rhythms was fun and flowing with ease. However, I noticed that sometimes my breathing sometimes reverses after a while - not sure when that happens. Perhaps I lose presence or pay too much attention to the rhythm. I align it again when I notice it. I liked when you breathe loud a bunch of time... very helpful.

I loved this session.... I got to feel it too as my friend, an ER-Nurse, always wants to try also... I am stunned how good and healthy I feel afterwards. All of this is very rewarding indeed - thank you so muchSmile

Rocking Course Video 9 – Back Techniques.

Where to put the weight is also an art and as a matter or practicality and instigating flow also a rational choice. We focused more on the rhythm, which was great for me. Wiggling the heel of the hand into the erectors in opposing direction, lean in and out was another nice alternative interlude which made me happy to practice. Lean in and out and breathing - keeping the rhythm in various ways is sooner or later inviting the wanted free flow of energy on its own. It takes a bit practice just like learning an instrument. I felt it was very good to then go with the fingertips and the sides of the hands (in folded Namaskar like Mudra) up and down the spine. Three fingertips are good to use at the erectors as the fingers support one another giving strength. At one point I asked my practice friend if she gets dizzy from all the rocking but she did not. I wondered... Great was the rocking under the scapula too resting the shoulders on both of the knees equally. This was indeed such a great idea. Later to finish with the shoulder circling (folding the hands across) was a bit hard as I had to cross over and my legs seem too short... but at some point I made it my way, by leaving the legs next to one another and it seemed ok but not quiet as effective. It all depends on leverage.

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So I finished this Module. I plan to take 2 courses the next time together. I will move slower as I get more work these days.

I plan to take the "Sen class" and the "heavenly Head massage together."  You think that would be ok with you. 

Your teachings are healing for me too. I am just very happy when I can continue doing this.

Yours,

Karin 

and... a huge THANK YOU.Laugh

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You made it - great! The rocking is an ongoing process. Once you have some experience with it, you can create many more moves with a little creativity. Since I created this course, I came up with many more motion techniques along the way, and I enjoyed all those spontaneous discoveries!

The Heavenly Head Massage and the Sen Line course will go well together. The Sen Line course will add to and refine what you already know about Thai Massage, and the Heavenly Head Massage course will be totally unique and new for you with tons of super useful material. Plus this one can be easily done on a table as well as on the floor.

I am glad that you keep on doing the courses, because I love following your progress and communicating with you. You feel more like a friend to me than a student. Smile

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