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Federica Agostini Shoulder therapy Course
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March 29, 2019 - 12:15 am
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MODULE 1

Hi Shama, here I am finally writing on the forum. It is a week that I am working on Module 1 to 3 on three different people.

If you don't mind, I will open three different topics on the forum for all the three modules since my comments are fresh in my mind, and I will do it in the same day. If there is any problem please let me know.

I really like the way you explain the theory and show all techniques. 

Please excuse me for my not so perfect english.

So, back to Module 1

At the beginning of the sequence, when you place palms of hands on the soft part and not on the bones, you mean near the insertion of the Pectoralis major, on the muscle? Please correct me if I am wrong.

In that position some times I loose the rithm on the rocking so I know I will keep practicing. On other positions I can keep the rithm and variable pressure and people find it absolutely nice 🙂

I am not so big, so on the two small people (woman) I could easly do the 8 figure one after the other, and since they don't exercise, they found it shoulder opening.On a big men I had to do first left ....4 times and than right..... and absolutely I had to do it with my body weight since my partner was quite heavy.

They all loved the working on the trapezius....they all asked for more!!!!!

The rocking with two hands on a single shoulder feels more easy.....

Working below shoulder with thumbs for all three felt super good, specially because they didn't know they were tight in that part.

I must say that the more I practice your techniques, the more I feel they are precious and effective.

 

Grazie, 

Federica

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March 29, 2019 - 12:38 am
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Hi Federica, welcome to our community. Your English is plenty good enough - quite perfect actually. This is not about a grammar competition. Laugh

Yes, definitely separate your posts by course and create a topic for each so that nobody gets confused what you are writing about.

Also, if you want a certificate for any of your longer courses, please fill out a certification registration form and send it in so that we can put you in our system. The link to the registration is in the course manuals in the certification section.

If you are just posting to share and interact, then you don't need to fill in the certification registration.

Yes, you got it right - you place your hands near the insertion of the pectoralis right below the shoulder.

I am glad to hear that you like the techniques and that you are getting good feedback already! Smile

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Ciao Shama,

for the circling parallel to the floor, on my big partner felt good but was heavy for me to execute. He was super happy .

On the two ladies, at the second circling I could hear a crack sound. No pain for them since I always execute this type of moves lightly at the first move, and I already warmed the part, and was not so strong anyway. No pain, they both asked for more, so I kept circling lightly. Also on this move they sayed it was somehow "opening" on shoulders. Question: cracking sound..... normal????   🙂

For the sandwich  shoulder rotation, I need to practice more since it doesn't come natural to me. 

All the three loved the circling on trapezius.....and the wiggling.

About the wiggling, I must thank you. It is just a fabulous technique, also on other contracted parts of body muscles. It's a nice way to work on painful spots not causing pain since with variable pressure and rocking, and changin spot, the part gets warmed and decontracted easier.

The working position is very confortable, and they all felt confortable. For the circling is just perfect.

For the Push pull technique, they all felt the strech, and trying the technique first time, I realized that the pushing of the arm has to be very small otherwise the strech is too strong. Not painful but strong. Your model is super streched on video!

For the other two techniques I didn't have any problem.

 

Grazie, Federica

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Wow your reply was super fast! 

I understood that in order to have an international certificate the only thing I have to do is to write notes on the forum.

Sorry, I will apply a request and keep writing notes.............ok?

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Done. I filled the form. Thanks

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Yes, you are correct, you only need to write notes with your experience in the forum in order to get a certificate. But we still need the registration form, because:

  • We need to know what kind of certificate you want (we have two kinds)
  • We want to make sure that we have the correct spelling of your name which you want on the certificate
  • We want to be sure that we have the correct email address to send the certificate to

The other thing is, as soon as you send in the certification registration, you will be automatically forwarded to a page which explains exactly how the certification process works. That makes it easier for both of us. Smile 

I just saw the registration form - thanks for sending it in!

Also please take a minute and familiarize yourself with our certification checklist to make sure that it is all correctly organized:

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Ciao Shama,

for the tractioning I had no problem. I tractioned on partner's exalation. One of the lady had weak wrist so I did it with the second technique.

One of my partner was not flexible enough for the triangle stretch 🙁 but worked fine for the other two partners 🙂 

The rowboat shoulder stretching, once understood the technique is easy to do, and feels great on partners. It is very scenografic and useful!

For the swinging, I could perform it nicely only on one partner. The others had a "control" issue......just could not let go, even helping the movement with the other hand on shoulder. So I tried the shaking, and it was all right. I passed than with the throwing of the arm and there was no way.

They just wanted to control the movement anticipating it. After explanations, and repetitions, they finally left the control of the movement!

It was fun 🙂

 

Grazie, Federica

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For those people who are so tight and want to control your moves and hold on like crazy, you need every 'trick' you can come up with to get them to relax and let go. Luckily the Thai Massage system (or more precisely my version of it) offers lots of opportunities to do that. Once you get them to relax and let go, it feels like you have won a battle.  LaughYes, it's fun and rewarding.

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MODULE 4

Hi Shama, I tried all techniques of the course a few times. I would like to thank you for those wonderful techniques.

Meanwhile I watch video modules again and write on this forum, I have a very good feedback from my clients. They all agree that are

shoulder opening, and all feel very good at the end of the session.

So, back to module 4

Circling on trapezius feels good, and all loved the combo move!

I inserted by default the combo move in my thai yoga sessions.

Took me some time to get a fluent move for the rotation of the shoulder.

For prone shoulder backwards rotation I was lucky to execute it on a very flexible person first time. I used it on other couple of other people and they felt the stretch was too much, they felt unconfortable to put the arm backward, but loved the prone shoulder circles....and stretch....the slow version.

Grazie, Federica

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For the arm circling with shoulder stretch I executed on the wrong person. The person could not let go the arm and was always controlling anticipating the move!!!! again it took me good 10 minutes to have the arm relaxed and finally execute the move!

 

For the shoulder back rotation while leaning on trapezius I had good feedback. Same person....

The following move, with rotation, I will have to practice more. I am quite flexible but the person was very stiff and coul not get a fluent move 🙁

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I found very easy to perform the techniques on the scapula, and found them very effective.

I usually, not on thai massage, work on that area with arm on the back.

Rolling the scapula over fingers is very effective. After a few repetitions I felt the part was softer.

On shoulder and arm traction I had very good feedback as with the side kneading.

Massaging softly at the end of a stretch looks like is a MUST!

 

Grazie, Federica

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Regarding the person who wouldn't let go, and it took you 10 minutes to make it more relaxed - that has happened to me many, many times. I had plenty of clients where I was working only on the shoulders for 30 minutes to get them to the point where they would relax and let go. That's just what it takes sometimes. Many people have real issues with their shoulders.

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Ciao Shama,

the position of pillows feels confortable and enables me to also work better on shoulder neck area.

Working with feet on trapezius worked super well and felt good on the person,which didn't have big enough deltoids, so I performed it very lightly.

As you said, not all techniques are good for everyone. 

Also performed super light and gently on the neck.

The rolling on upper arm was easy to perform but again the person was not so big so I was super gentle with knee technique

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MODULE 8

For this module I found a bigger person, and at the beginning asked on range 1 to 10 how the moves felt.

the person loved the knee circling 🙂

Must say took me a while to perform correctly and not loosing my stability performing with knee, but at the end it was good.

Working on deltoid with forearm move and tractioning felt very relaxing at the end. This is another move I know will perform often.

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MODULE 9

Definately will not use feet and knee on first appointment.

Specially because Thai Yoga Massage is not well known in Italy and it would feel super weird....

I do have a small knee, a little bony, so I guess I will use my knee only on big people with big muscles 🙂

I feel this online course gave me the ability to work better and longer on the area, and every time I insert one or more of your techniques,

at the end of the session they all report an "opening" sensation on the area and more fluent move of the joint.

You are a marvelous teacher, explaining in detail all the techniques with the poses, and the fact that one can watch  video more times

is really a plus 🙂

Grazie,

Federica

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You are right, during the first appointment with a new client it is probably a good idea to go easy with strong techniques, foot and knee work, especially if they have never experienced it.

Foot and knee work is great when clients are face down, and most people won't even realize which body part you are using. But that's a bit outside of shoulder work and goes more into back work - especially lower back and glutes. For these areas feet and knees are great.

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