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Elizabeth "Jill" Daszkowski - Complete Thai Massage Progress Notes
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I have reviewed the video this past Sunday.  I received permission from my business partner to become my practice partner.  It was a good review of how to use your breath with your body weight to perform Thai Massage.  It is also going to be a challenge to squat for so long with a bad knee.  But as is said in the course, with practice I am sure it will get easier.  I believe Thai Massage will also be beneficial because I will have more clients that will be willing to get help with their anxiety and pain because they are able to leave their clothes on.  I am really looking forward to learning from this course.

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Module 2 – I also reviewed this video this past Sunday.  I am glad that the difference was spelled out that thai massage is about energy work, not muscle work as in massage therapy.  I do believe anatomy is important, but glad to hear the differences explained in the video.  I also think that it is important in my current job and as a yoga instructor to be in the right frame of mind before working with a client.  If I give off bad energy to my client then the whole session can become compromised. 

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Module 3 – I apologize for all three of my posts being in one day; however, I registered today and wanted to add these posts now before the weekend since I am heading out of town at the end of the week.  I watched the Chi Machine on Sunday evening.  I was super excited to learn my first go-to move for my thai massage.  I am meeting my practice partner tomorrow at our yoga studio to practice the Chi Machine on her.  I am grateful for the advice to let the motion for the Chi machine to be natural and not jerky.  I am a strong woman and sometimes I have to be reminded that I need more finesse.  This video reiterated that for me.  I can’t wait until tomorrow to try it out.  I will post more about that experience after tomorrow evening. 

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March 21, 2018 - 3:59 pm
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Hi Jill, welcome to our forum and to the Complete Thai Massage certification program. Please take a moment and familiarize yourself with our certification check list:

Certification Check List

You might also want to re-watch our certification tutorial since you had missed some things:

Certification Tutorial

I already fixed two items for you:

  • Your display name has to be the same as the name in your certification registration, otherwise we have to hire a detective (pun intended) to match up our records and find people in a forum with over 14000 posts. Laugh (I fixed this for you)
  • Your thread was in the wrong forum, the introduction forum. I moved it to the correct forum for you.

There is a good chance that your knee will improve with practice of this material. We had several students with knee issues, and they reported that after a while it got better once they got used to the positions in Thai Massage.

I would imagine that as a yoga instructor you will easily find people who are interested in Thai Massage since there is such an obvious connection to yoga.

As you noted Thai Massage is the opposite of muscle work. It is all about using your body to its best advantage without any unnecessary effort. It is easier to be a strong woman than a delicate women for Thai Massage since you won’t have any techniques that you can’t do. However the finesse will be more important than your strength.

Here in Thailand most Thai Massage therapists are small Asian women, weighing between 95 and 120 pounds, and they can do a great job by using their body weight correctly, even when working on much larger clients. However it certainly is an advantage to have a little more weight behind you – it makes many techniques a bit easier.

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Module 4 – I have reviewed the video on having loose wrists and its importance.  The way to make sure my wrists are in the right manner should be easy to remember since at the beginning it is the same as getting into tadasana (mountain pose).  The difference being is that you turn your hands the opposite way instead of palms out.  This course was another reminder for me that Thai Massage is more about finesse than it is muscle.  The instructor nor the client wants their massage to feel mechanical and keeping your wrists loose can help to prevent that.  

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Module 5 – Leg Warm up

Even though these warm ups are shown on the legs, they can be used on different parts of the body as well such as the back and arms, etc.  It is important to use the warms up before stretching.  Remember that every technique used does not have to be used in every session.  Find the ones you are comfortable with and use those at first.  Make your practice flow.  When working on the thighs, stabilize the leg by using your knee or foot.  Use the butterfly technique on the quads.  Allow your body weight to compress the muscle and time it with your breath.  Off set your hands as to avoid the genital area.  Bring the leg out bending at the knee at a 90 degree angle.  If the leg won’t lay flat, use a pillow underneath. If the hip is stiff, block it using your foot or knee.  Roll up using your fingers and thumbs on the foot, ankle, calf, inner thighs, and hamstrings.  Lean and roll with the right hand and pull.  Roll up with right hand.  

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March 29, 2018 - 10:02 am
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Jill, please re-read section 7 of the certification check list which I linked to in my previous post. Your last post is just a listing of the content of the video. You don’t have to tell me what’s in the videos – I know that already since I  made them! Laugh

The purpose of the certification process is not to show me that you watched a video, but to demonstrate that you are actually working with the material. The idea is that you write about how your practice sessions are going, how you apply the material, what feedback you are getting, and how it is working for you. So the posts should be experiential, not a listing of content.

Your first few posts were fine, but this last one is not. Smile

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Tonight after work, I talked one of my yoga students into letting me try my newly learned techniques on her.  It was definitely a new experience for me not being a massage therapist.  She absolutely loved the leg warm ups and said they were very relaxing.  As far as the leg massages I had to hone my craft by consciously not using my elbow and just using my forearm to softly lean into the muscles.  I definitely need to work on a seamless move when it comes to placing my leg or foot behind my client’s.  This will come with practice I am sure.  Even though it was out of order and I did it at the end of the practice session, the chi machine was amazing.  She loved the way it energized her body and the rocking motion back and forth relaxed her.  She looked so relaxed, we watched the video again and she did it to me.  It felt great.  My client told me that this would be a great practice to do after someone has run a marathon.  The relaxation the legs, feet, and calves get would help a determined runner calm down after a run.  Since she is a runner, I take her comments seriously.  

 

As for the of the photo and experience of the $4 one hour foot massage you received, all I can say is YES PLEASE!!!  I could care less what the curtains look like!  🙂

I was shocked to hear the air gets so bad there that you actually have to move somewhere for a period of time to avoid it.  That is a shame.  It puts into perspective all of the things we take for granted in life.  

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April 5, 2018 - 11:21 am
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That sounds like a good experience for you and will motivate and inspire you to implement more of the material, I imagine.

It’s true, many people think that I live in paradise here in Thailand and that everything is perfect. But this is not true – there is always a downside of things. And the yearly burning season is a rather big downside.

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My last post from April 5, 2018 was for Module 6 and 7.  If forgot to actually name the modules I was practicing with my client.  I apologize for my oversight.  

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Module 8 – My husband was nice enough to offer to be my partner today for Module 8.  It was good he was because it gave me a chance to work on someone who is not a regular yoga practitioner and he is definitely NOT flexible.  He is 5’8 and 225 pounds so it was a little difficult to do the hip stretches.  I did use the hip pie method but cut it down to about 5 slices instead of 8.  There just wasn’t enough give for 8 slices.  I am glad I learned about the rocking method because I used that with him as well since he is not limber.  When I work with men his size, I will implement the last move you taught about moving to the side and using your body weight to help get the client deeper into the stretch.  My husband said that the stretches felt good; however, he felt uncomfortable with me kneeling over him.  I get what he was talking about, but I think with more practice my transition into a position to stretch someone will be better.  His favorite of course was the massaging of the calf muscles because it didn’t make him “stretch”.  All in all he was a good sport about it and I will be using him as a partner for some of my future thai massage modules due to his size difference and inflexibleness.  I want to be able to practice on males and females of all sizes.  

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Each module needs to have it’s own post, so your last post cannot combine modules 6 and seven. That’s explained in item #5 of the certification check list which I referenced earlier:

Certification Check List

For this time we can let it slide, but please write one post per module without combining them.

Regarding your husband not feeling comfortable with you kneeling over him – I have heard this from some other course students before. This tends to happen during practice sessions where the partner is lying there with eyes open, watching you and analyzing what you are doing. In an actual session the client generally is lying with eyes closed and is not trying to analyze what you do, but is just feeling what you do.

Also men tend to feel more uncomfortable with Thai Massage (when they experience it for the first time) than women. And also the size of your husband compared to you will make any move where you are on top of him more difficult anyway. And lastly, I have seen cases where the husband/practice partner is worried how other men will perceive it when you do those techniques on them. It’s like a protective reflex. If you practice on other people, and smaller people, you will probably get a different reaction.

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Module 9 – continued leg stretches and spinal twist

I reviewed the video and had one of my yoga students assist me with the practical. I am glad I did.  She is very flexible which made these leg stretches easier to perform. In Yoga practice I often have very tight inner thigh muscles and this presents itself when I do butterfly laying down on my back.  The rocking can definitely help to relax those muscles. My practice partner and I both love spinal twists so this practical was very enjoyable. I need to practice the ease of my footing but other than that it went great. On a side note, the picture in picture feature really helps when you are facing the other way so I can see your positioning. Thank you. My practice partner only had to tell me once that she was at an 8 so I backed off a little.  I will start module 9 soon. 

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April 21, 2018 - 10:23 pm
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Module 10 – continued leg stretches

So I have the same practice partner to assist me (my yoga buddy).  She is my height and basic weight so this technique worked great. As you stated it takes time to get proficient so it will take me time to get comfortable with positioning and not having to pause and refer back to the video. ?  She did not get up to an eight this time. Walking the foot up was surprisingly a comfortable move for me. I tried the blood stop but I am not sure it was effective. I will have to practice.  She said she didn’t feel a difference. Stretching the calf was effective for her. 

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If your partner did not feel anything from the “blood stop”, then you were probably not leaning in enough, or you did not hit the right spot. This spot can take quite a good amount of weight. Without that nothing much will happen.

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