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Elisabeth Guerreiro
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October 22, 2021 - 12:24 pm
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Module 10

 

These stretches feel quite easy to do. I still don´t have the sensitivity to know how deep can I go with each client. Everyone has so many different levels of elasticity. So I always ask them for the number, in a scale from one to ten. 

For the 270º stretch I find that I ned to lock my clients leg with my own in order for them to not roll towards me while I am trying to do the stretch. Otherwise they dont feel the deep stretching. 

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October 22, 2021 - 12:43 pm
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Module 11

 

From the past weeks I have been practicing a lot. Most of the times I need to assume the small therapist/big client position. 

I still have some techniques that I feel that I am not doing it 100% correctly though. 

For exemple:

-leaning into calves. Should I lean into the calf itself or on the connection where the calf meets the bone? neither of these seem like getting a good feedback from the client. Looks like thye feel a bit better if i lean into the muscle itself but still not a pleasant feeling.

-pressing and lean into the adductors and hamstring: their feedback is that they don't feel any stretch but they do feel the pressure of my hand. Then, depending on the client, a few have asked to lighten up that said pressure. (note that all my clients are my yogic students, not sure if this could be the reason why they dont feel any stretch with these two techniques)

-315 strong stretch: i´ve seen this video over and over and I can´t figure out what or where is the client suppose to feel the stretch. The first feedback I have from them is that their leg (close to the ankle) is hurting because they are feeling the pressure with the contact with the knee (opposite leg). 

Second they say they dont feeel any stretch but they do feel quite unconfortable with the pressure of my hands when I lean close to the knee and again close to the thigh. It´s not that they feel pain, but they do feel a lot of pressure. And no stretch at all. 

This one is indeed the one that leaves me confused the most as it is suppose to be a strong stretch and it seems like I can't reach not even a tinny one. 

 

Apart from these, I am working as well on flowing and finding my artistic way of massaging. Make it feel more natural to me and with that more pleasant to the client 🙂

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It is indeed possible that flexible yoga students feel very little or no stretch from certain techniques.

You are leaning into the calf muscle just below the bone, but not in such a way that you pull the skin down.

Regarding the 315 degree stretch - I have a feeling about this. You wrote several times that 'they only feel pressure', but no stretch. First of all, pressure done correctly should feel very good. You can do an entire Thai Massage session without any stretches and put the client into a trance state.

So I suggest that you try one thing: Don't focus so much on stretching, but on sinking in softly and making your touch feel good. Try to focus on the quality of your touch. Make sure that you are not pressing, but lean in with body weight. Work slowly and focus on feeling and on transmitting a soft, warm, healing touch. 

The second thing is that for the 315-degree technique, I will give you access to a module from our hip therapy course which has a much more in-depth explanation of this technique:

315 degree hip stretch

The third thing is this: Try some of the stretches that seem to be ineffective on your yoga students on someone who is not a yoga student and is not very flexible. If you still get feedback that the stretch is not felt, then you know that there is something wrong in your execution of the technique. Then go back to the video where the technique was originally taught and review it. Module 11 does not teach the techniques in-depth since this has already been done in previous videos. It is a summary video and not necessarily suitable for correcting a technique.

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Sorry for the confusion. The truth is that I am already ahead on the videos, more than on the posts that I write here. and I´ve got confused, thinking that the 315 degree stretch video was before the Module 11. 

So I used the post for de Module 11 to summarize my difficulties in all the hip pie techniques, since that video is a summarize video. 

I like to practice multiple times on my clients before writing here. This way I have the opportunity to understand if I may be doing the technique wrong because I simply didn't practice it enough or if I am doing it wrong despite multiple attempts at watching the videos and trying it again and again. Which was what happened in that stretch in particular. 

I also did change a bit the order of the sequence into one that feels more natural for me to know what's next. I was wondering however if it would be ok at some point if I upload a video to youtube for some feedback?

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Of course it would be ok to upload a video of what you are doing. and it is also perfectly ok to change the order of things if that feels more natural to you. What is shown in the training videos is one way of doing it. The techniques are options to choose from, they are not meant to be fixed sequences.

Actually, I noticed that I had not really explained the 315 degree stretch before module 11, so that's why I posted the link in my previous post which explains it more in-depth.

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MOdule 12

This class feels much easier to do. I think many of the stretches I needed to figure out how to place myself better in order to reach certain points, as I am more like a smaller therapist and most of the clients are bigger or taller than me. 

The remaining hip stretches are very strong and I couldn't take the client to the power versions.

The sacrum massage was appreciated and she said she really felt like an elephant was walking on her knees. 

The feedback I had regarding the 3 versions for the calves stretch was that the first version was the one that she could feel the stretch most. 

I believe I need to practice more the  third version as I still feel like I was muscling to push into her foot. but I know we are not suppose to muscle anything. 🙂 still working on it.

Overall feedback was positive 🙂

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The power versions are definitely not for everyone. Or you could do the power versions in a very gentle way...

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