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Module 20

In this module I got an even better understanding of how to work under the feet. In the earlier modules where you showed kneading technic for the foot I was making the mistake of working under the heel as well. 

When using the elbow under the feet, do you start with the back of the elbow and roll forward as you lean forward? Or start with the pointed part of the elbow and roll forward as you lean in? 

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Module 21

I was having a open talk with a group of friends (yoga instructor, western style therapist) and made the point to them that I actually think western style massage stands a greater chance of being painful then Thai, because a therapist is massaging into individual muscles rather than the natural force of gravity pulling a therapist weight down.

When working on the heap with forearms do you move around in different spots or main focus on one particular spot. 

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"When using the elbow under the feet, do you start with the back of the elbow and roll forward as you lean forward? Or start with the pointed part of the elbow and roll forward as you lean in?"  -  I am starting with the area behind the elbow which is softer than the elbow itself. You could start with the actual elbow, but you have to be very careful that you don't use too much pressure as this could cause discomfort.

"When working on the hip with forearms do you move around in different spots or main focus on one particular spot."  -  You are looking for a soft, muscled spot on the hip. You need to avoid anything that feels like bone as this will cause pain. Once you find this soft spot, that's what you work on. You don't need to move around. You could try moving around a little bit, but this works only on fairly large hips with big muscles. Personally, I mostly stay in the one right spot which feels best for the receiver.

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Module 22

Familiar with the leg and hip stretches in this module I now realize my ergonomics we completely wrong or just not appropriate for some of the clients I have performed it on. I would have to compensate with some muscling to lift the leg during hip stretch. 

I use to have my hand just under the knee area with my are coming around the front of the sheen and foot was resting on my shoulder. Your method of locking the foot under armpit is way more comfortable.

Your technic of seating and lifting leg with both hands for bigger clients is definitely more comfortable for my lower back. 

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I am glad to hear that you figured out your ergonomics - that's generally the secret of it all. Smile

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Module 23

I was more successful with the percussion techniques.

Still not completely I have found the lines of the sacrum as demonstrated in your video. I continue to work with my partner as sometimes its very pleasant but in the mix she finds some discomfort. 

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The percussion is easier, no doubt. With time you will find the sacrum lines. The thing is that they are more pronounced on some sacrums, and on others they are quite hard to detect. Try it on a few different sacrums, if possible.

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Module 24

After practicing on a number of friends, I found that sweet spot of the sacrum. I am now getting better feedback from friends and clients. 

Working on the back before using the more traditional elephant walk, I am really pleased to learn this new technique as I struggled working on women with big breast and clients that could not support much weight on their chest. Some of my clients who have been working with me for a number of years now are praising this new technique.

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"Some of my clients who have been working with me for a number of years now are praising this new technique."  -  Excellent!!!

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Module 25

I spent some time practicing using the elbow technique and got very pleasant feedback from clients. For one client I spent sometime just rocking with the elbow and within few seconds I heard her snoring. 

I tried the knee technique on my partner in the lightest way since she is not very big just to get familiar with the technique but she found pressure on her back little heavy when I try to control the weight of my knee. I will wait till i have someone who is muscular or bigger person.

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Snoring from the elbow rocking - you must have a good amount of sensitivity in your elbow already!

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Module 26

Having variations for back is definitely beneficial to client and therapist. I had the courtesy of working on someone who is petit where I did palm technique from first module on back and used elbow and forearms on another client who had more muscle and fat in the back.

When working on the neck, I notice your palm is facing the back of the head. I found it more comfortable and easier to balance right hand and left hand movement, with my palm facing the back. 

Can I continue like this or is it incorrect?

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Module 27 

This module corrected some of the things I was doing completely wrong.

1. For the spinal twist I use to have my leg closer to the lower back rather than on the glutes.

2. For cobra I was only taught the third version you showed in this module.

So far with the knowledge that you have given me I now approach a treatment more confidently. As you mentioned at the ending I am able to decide better what the client wants after consultation prior to treatment.  

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Regarding the neck work - I don't like making hard and fast rules. If something works well for you, then you can absolutely do it. The technique that I show in the video feels great, but it is a little tricky to learn. However if you prefer your version, by all means do it that way - as long as your clients like it.

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Module 28

Apart from situations where one side requires more work than the other. Would a count for every move be the best practice to help find a balance around the body?

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Yes, often therapists do stretches 3 times. This is not only for balance, but also for timing. Again, no rigid rules here, but the 3-times system works pretty well.

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Module 29

It took me a number of attempts to where you seat on the the leg right. It was pleasant for my partner to receive but I as the therapist was struggling. After watching your video few more times I realized I was not letting all of my body weight go. I was hold back forcing me to engage core muscles significantly. Me thinking I was to heavy caused me to hold my breathe which contributes to even more tension. 

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I know, this technique takes some adjusting on the part of the therapist. Once you do it a few times, you will lose that fear of crushing someone's thigh. Laugh

It should be totally relaxing for both therapist and client, and that only happens when you are confident in what you are doing, and you let go totally.

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Module 30

I am becoming more comfortable with sitting techniques as I have been spending a lot of time practicing getting a good reaction on first attempt and comfort for me as therapist.

In the first attempts of working on the erector muscle my partner found difficulty breathing. I then realized I was linking my breathing with hers and I was leaning in rather than down towards the spine as mentioned. 

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Good that you figured it out. These techniques should not be done so strongly that they inhibit the breathing of the client.

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