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"Would it make sense to place a pillow to the side of the hip for support when doing 90 and 45 degree leg stretches? "  -  Sure, you can put a pillow under the leg when doing a 90 degree stretch if the client is really stiff so that the stretch cannot go so far.

"When stretching the calf muscles, would you change to foot position when giving more attention to the calves? By changing meaning twisting the foot inward or outward? "  -  No, the best foot position is without any twist for the ankle stretch (the last stretch in this module). Twisting the foot can feel bad for the ankle.

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Module 11

I notice there is a body weight pull of the leg when you transition during foot massage. Is there a particular reason for doing this?

How long would you suggest a session last for? 

Prior to sessions, I seat and do some breathe work to help me further relax which has been helping me significantly. My partner mentioned that I have become a lot lighter on the hands. 

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"I notice there is a bodyweight pull of the leg when you transition during foot massage. Is there a particular reason for doing this?"  -  There is a bodyweight pull when you lift both legs together because in this way you can use your body weight to lift instead of your arm muscles. This can be used when lifting both legs or only one.

"How long would you suggest a session last for?"  -  Thai Massage sessions are ideally longer than typical table massage sessions. Personally, I never did shorter sessions than 2 hours. This might not be possible or practical for you, but whenever possible, try to do longer sessions. It is difficult to squeeze the Thai Massage work into one hour. It can be done, but you will have to skip some techniques.

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Module 11

Based on feedback from my partner and client, I have got much better using technics on the foot. However when it comes to compression with forearm on the thigh I have to work on pressure as there is inconsistency. "Sometimes it is painful sometimes it feels great".

Although I understand the directions for foot movement during a few sessions, I sometimes think there is something i forgot to do. I think this may be contributing to my inconsistency. 

Following my question on the reason you pull the leg with body weight, practicing it has made transitioning much better. Rather than me using muscle to lift the legs.

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"However when it comes to compression with forearm on the thigh I have to work on pressure as there is inconsistency. "Sometimes it is painful sometimes it feels great".  -  Try to not focus on 'pressure', but on feeling. Try to feel what is the right position of your forearm, where it feels just right to you (and subsequently to your client). Try to use less pressure and more feeling. Once you got the feeling, you can always add more pressure.

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Module 11

More and more I am growing to appreciate Thai.

During my practice and following your summary video of how a session should flow. The fact that a Thai  therapist is able to use multiple technics in one session is amazing.

As I review videos I notice there is a gentle roll with the forearms when using forearm on the thigh. I tried it on my partner and got a better result.

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I was able to work with stretches using core press as it is similar to a move that I do during workouts. On the other hand I am still practicing on my partner to gain a better feel for the one leg cave stretch. 

When performing one leg calf stretch my hand often slips. I continue to do different finger position to maintain a firm grip yet comfortable. 

Would you suggest avoiding the elephant walk on the knee with clients who have a history of knee issues?

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"When performing one leg calf stretch my hand often slips."  -  The solution is to reach around the heel more with your fingers. If you don't get your fingers all the way around the heel so that your fingers are all the way on the bottom of the heel, they will slip.

"Would you suggest avoiding the elephant walk on the knee with clients who have a history of knee issues?"  -  This way of leaning onto the knee is actually quite safe. It does not stress or twist the joint in any way. However it is always a good idea to be cautious with people who have had knee trouble. As the saying goes "It is better to be safe than sorry".

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Module 13

My grip around the heel for calf stretch improved with your last tip thank you.

Scooping motion was easier for me to pickup, however I am still practicing to get both technics. 

With the final hip stretch you showed in this video. I am thinking it may not be appropriate for all men consider it may cause pain. Unfortunately my practice is done on women. With the culture not many men do massages or allow another man to massage them.

I must admit that I am slowly growing from mechanical to conceptual. Thank you for helping me so far. 

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"My grip around the heel for calf stretch improved with your last tip thank you."  -  I am glad that my tip helped to improve the technique for you.

"With the final hip stretch you showed in this video. I am thinking it may not be appropriate for all men consider it may cause pain."  -  Actually, even the strongest stretch can be done in a gentle way.

Working on women is generally easier than working on men. I know what you are saying, men are often not as receptive to massage as women are, and they are often not as willing to let go and relax as women are. This doesn't apply to all men, of course, but to many, based on my experience.

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Module 14

While rocking is a very pleasant feeling. Is there such thing as to much rocking during a session? 

In the beginning I struggled with the transition from side to side. Focusing to much on getting my knee up, I found myself pressing down on the hip. I went back to practicing and exercise you showed in the beginning which is similar to this movement and help me significantly.

Worked on someone who has been struggling mobility in their hip. For our first session I decided to use only rocking technic. Was that the best decision or should I have engaged in some stretches to further loosen the hip?

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"While rocking is a very pleasant feeling. Is there such thing as too much rocking during a session?"  -  There are two scenarios where rocking can be too much.

  1.  If you do full-body rocking, meaning you rock the hip area which moves most of the body, there are some people who can feel nauseated or 'sea-sick' after a while.
  2.   If you do an entire session with only rocking moves, it can feel like too much.

Ideally, you blend the rocking in with non-rocking moves for a good balance in your sessions.

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Module 15

Spent sometime practicing abdominal work on my partner who found it very pleasant. On the first attempt it was a little concerned consider her fibroid glans are big. 

She did ask if it would help reduce some of the pain she gets?

I also had the courtesy of working on a massage therapist who was amazed by how pleasant the abdominal treatment was, and is now looking to add Thai to her repertoire.  

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Abdominal massage can indeed be very powerful. That's why we have a separate course that expands a lot on purely abdominal massage, if you are ever interested in learning it as a stand-alone modality.

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Module 16

I am certainly going to continue with your separate specialty course after I have completed this present course. This course has help my overall movement as a fitness instructor and my grace in rock climbing. 

As i performed the shoulder massage on my partner, I could feel the tension under my fingers as I slide my hand up from the back. 

For people with really long hands would a lower grip on the arm be the correct modification to do should massage with your foot?

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Module 17

The hand and arm massage is certainly something great to perform and quote from my partner and a few of my clients great to receive. It is certainly one thing I can use to as part of my consultation for my Holistic program.

I am still struggling a little with my left hand being that its my weaker hand. Will continue working to get an even balance between the left and right hand. 

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"For people with really long hands would a lower grip on the arm be the correct modification to do should massage with your foot?"  -  You will always find that you have to adjust techniques because of differences in size between you and your client, or the length of your arms and legs. Just experiment with what feels most comfortable for you.

There are no rules for this because there are so many sizes and weights for both therapist and client. It is something that you need to feel. The principle is that it should feel natural and easy for you, and your body mechanics should feel comfortable. As soon as it feels strained and unnatural, you can be sure that your body mechanics are not correct. You find all that out by experimenting.

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Module 18

Starting the transition, I notice you pulled on one arm then both arms together however, you did not do the same on the other arm before completing the transition. 

Is it ok to leave it out or must the there an even balance with both arms?

While pulling on the arm i notice your hand slides close to the elbow then you move it down for second pull. 

Is that natural or intentional when leaning back to pull? 

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Module 19

Working from foot to shoulder, I can now see how a session can easily go up to 2 hours. 

I am doing more exercises from what you showed and some of what I already knew. Doing a few sessions with client and on my partner i can certainly feel the pressure in my ankles and knees from not being use to staying in these positions for so long. 

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"While pulling on the arm I notice your hand slides close to the elbow then you move it down for the second pull. Is that natural or intentional when leaning back to pull?"  -  I think you might be referring to the pull in module 18 around min 5:30. The reason why my hand is near the elbow is because I am holding the arm with both hands at that point. One hand holds the arm at the wrist, and the other hand above the elbow. 

When I hold both arms after that, both of my hands are holding the arms at the wrist.

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