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October 7, 2014 - 2:09 am
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I am not sure where you saw the link about chatting with clients, but I imagine you are referring to this article:

How much should you talk to your clients

If the abductor is inflamed, or with any inflammation, I would be very careful with stretching. I would first focus on working on the muscles with rocking techniques and sustained pressure moves. Just make sure that stretching does not cause pain. That should be easy for you since you totally understand the 1-10 method. Smile

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Module 11:

Although yesterday`s module doesn’t have to be practiced but most importantly observed I felt that the best thing I could take from it was timing. I mean, after doing and treating patients from the first 10 modules I relished that I wasn’t sure how long to exactly hold one stretch or another. I`ve been pretty consistently using all stretches in the same time frame up until now, that is left and right and forward and back all being the same timing per stretch and for each individual and ailment also. I learnt from this video that each technique and especially each person with their ailment or imbalance will need slightly different timing on each stretch. So today for a teen boy who has a strained abductor I not over stretch or over hold but just did a minute or some more holding and timing than his slightly less stiff side.

Also for another person, an older woman who had a weaker heel problem I laid off on the timing for the calf stretching and foot stretching where it raised the toes and stretched the thigh for the better of her legs to ease her into massage therapy. She, being new said she felt more balanced which I suppose is a good physical gauging of the timing for her holding.

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October 10, 2014 - 1:23 pm
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That was a good realization you had there! The timing is a useful mechanism, but the better you get at all this, the more you will be able to customize everything in a session, including the timing, depending on the needs of your clients.

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Module 12:

I found using the hands only being the most appropriate for one client this morning when doing the initial hip opener mentioned in today’s module.  The client who is attending a physiotherapist was shuddering his legs in fight or opposition to my initial full body weight when I leaned by upper body weight against him. Doing 100% of my body weight on this person will never be possible as they simply don’t seem to have that range in their hip sockets. The even told me  that it was problematic for them in the front of their hip which was great to know .Being honest, although I notice the shuddering I  wouldn’t have noticed that it was not possible to eventually do 100% of my body weight stretching on this person, until they told me  during stretching. I guess this is a huge advantage in choosing to have an open dialogue when stretching and it is safest for the client too.

 The butterfly type stretch towards the end is a really effective and easy stretch. Easy for the therapist but really effective for the client. I found it great to do and easy and really safe as the clients back is supported by the floor with my body weight on the other side dictating the opening of the hips while  at the same time crossing their legs. This is an area I`m really week on myself and I really wish I was my client this morning as I’ve never had this stretch done to me in Thai massage. What a pity!Frown

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October 13, 2014 - 8:45 pm
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To do 100% of your body weight is generally only advisable on clients who are large and stiff. On most clients you will have to feel how far you can go without causing pain. That will rarely be 100% of your body weight. The one-to-ten method is a great way to get feedback from the client and to make sure that you never take a stretch too far.

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At 3:40 mins into the video I realised that this stretch should to be done with the boy (athlete teen boy) that I worked with today. The explanation was very good and allowed me to avoid doing this stretch today. It is true to see that there is a psychology between myself and the client. I tried the cycling and the scooping today with him and he began to open up to me about the description of his pain. I felt that the scoping and cycling time was a good time to use as it allowed him to openly describe his 1-10 pain feelings. He told me that he dreaded that stretch every time I did it. I felt this time that I felt scooping and circling left him feel assured that I was willing to try something different and that he was not forced to do the same stretch. This gave me great progression in my therapy.

Then after the scooping, circling and the chatting with the client I asked him to try the stretch as in 14:20 by wiggling instead. This really relaxed him psychologically and it actually worked where we went physically deeper! It`s great to have more dept, variation and open communication!Laugh

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October 17, 2014 - 2:29 pm
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Great! That's it! We have to work with our clients, not just on them. Smile

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I found the technique at 13: 50 minutes into the video very tricky to get a handle on. I found that depending in the size of the client  it was difficult to reach over and co-ordinate the move. I am quite tall and being in the middle of a smaller person and doing this move was tricky. Though I need more practice, much more to improve my co-ordination here.

At 18:05 a similar problem occurred. This all looks very easy when you look at it on the video but trying to man-over myself around the persons body and co-ordinate hands while rocking and keeping the client relaxed was also tricky but I think I did ok. Of course more practice is a must. I had one client who is smaller and really likes this rocking so I think I`ll tailor my moves to include more of this on her next time, it will give me more practice too!

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When I did this module with my client today the client was very tense. The tensed their stomach muscles immediately and it was difficult to get at the clients stomach and side of stomach area. It also seemed that when I was doing the rib butterfly hand steps that he the male client was holding his breath. I decided to stop massaging the client and to just discuss with him that I was doing this for a reason to release his tension and improve his overall flaccidity of his bodily movement, and I did not complain about his tension. Instead I that it is normal to breath and to fight the massage by holding the breath so told him to breath slowly and I would go slowly and not too deep on the massage. I told him that I would go no more than 6 today on a scale of 1-10 and then we tried again.

Soon after the client was completely relaxed and it all worked out fine!

 

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This morning I had a new person. She was a very good swimmer and was delighted with the fact that I was now going to try my upper body techniques with her. When I tried the upper body techniques she was very relaxed with module 15 and 16 and much more trusting than the man from my module 15 experience. I felt that this would be a relaxed session all in all as she communicated each time we went to a new area. However, when we came to the shoulder area and I was stretching her elbows back she was very, very tight. I could only do a certain amount here which was very limited in flexibility compared to her hips and hamstrings. She told me that she did lengths and lights of pool swimming in the free style of swimming and that she had just completed an hour’s swimming early this morning. I went easy for today and i learned a lot more about muscles and sport!

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October 23, 2014 - 9:39 pm
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Sorry for delay in putting up module 14 and 15. I had them written out in my diary but never posted them. I don't know why this is. I am really enjoying the course and learning lots of techniques and I certainly am benefiting as I can massage way longer, way more people and my hands and body is not tired! This is great. I hope my replies and entries are still ok for the certification of thai massage with you?

 

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It sounds that you are doing effective communication with your clients. Sometimes that's what it takes to get a client to relax. Actually good communication is a very important skill to develop. There will be more information about this in the final module of this course.

Don't worry, you are on track with the certification program! Smile

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Module 17:

 

I love the circling motion with the arms.  In the past few weeks I ve become better with my own manoeuvring and balance around the clients body. I`ve learned to be more aware of the space and with the arms out stretched here it is needed. A couple of weeks ago I would not have left enough room to work around the upper body, but straight away today I was well aware of it and it allowed me to massage two people way better and in a more proactive way  as I moved very well for a big person. I even recorded myself to see the difference after.

The squeezing and pulling of the hands and inner wrists was reported  by an older client as having a lot of clicking and cracking but at the same time a lot of length and freedom. I was initially worried when I heard of the clicking and cracking but when they said they felt more room and heat in it afterwards I was delighted with the massage!

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Apparently you are making good progress! Smile

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October 31, 2014 - 9:08 am
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Module 18:

I was worried about going around the clients head as I am really so big. Not that I was so bothered with loosing balance or falling over them, but rather, when watching the video tutorial I felt that I would be too loud in movement. The fact that the client`s ears are in their head I as wary of making the clients feel threatened my brisk or heavy movements

This morning’s client never noticed .They said that they did notice my movement but that they were so concerned with the difference of touch that the movements of my legs, joints and my pants and the seams making natural noises never affected their relaxation. This really soothed me and made me appreciate the power of the massage touch. After all it is one of our senses, touch. I was concerned about another sense hearing. But this was overcome by a person`s feeling of touch. I must remember that in the future!

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Great observation! If you do a good job with the massage, the clients are often in a kind of altered state and what you do with your body is not on their mind. The only time when this becomes an issue is if you do the massage in a mechanical, non-sensitive way. This can pull client's attention away from their own body and to what's happening outside of them. That's a big reason why I am always talking about quality of touch, breathing, working from your hara etc.

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I understand now that the swinging of the legs depends totally on the patient and the tailoring the skilled and experienced therapist. When I look at it in full flow and in the timed sequence it is obvious that even the legs of the person, their weight of legs, height of person, your height to their height etc all will dictate the reputation and flow of the swinging. That coupled with the control over the swinging and the space needed around the sides for the swinging.

I wasn’t fabulous at this the first time around but I have a better understanding after looking at it from here.I did this today with a friend and his feedback was very interesting saying he felt the legs were weightless like being in a hammock. That’s a great image for me to understand.

 

Interestingly I have had many sessions of Quantum touch done to me separate to Thai massage and I can vouch for the effect and the energy and the hara having felt the heat and coldness of it. I `m glad that I can use this if I can learn it in the future. I hadn’t thought of that.Smile

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Adding the Quantum Touch to Thai Massage was my personal inspiration since I had learned it separately from Thai Massage. I found it to be a good fit. So this one will be easy for you! Smile

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Module 20:

 Having had so many Thai massages I can recall with a huge memory of soreness on as was put it on even “ the soft area of the foot”. This “ sole of the foot area” or “ soft area” is so sensitive. From watching the video and recalling my own troubles as a patient, I wonder if this area can be so sensitive to touch because perhaps it simply takes all  or a lot of the body weight if a person is not  walking or standing with correct posture or hip, knee or ankle alignment. Ok, I know that this is a hige question and one that needs more analysis, but it was a memory of “ soreness” that arrived back to me when watching this video.

With this in mind I certainly though “ softness” and not “ pressing” and the client seemed happy not to comment or complain about this area despite experiencing many and irregular muscular strains from a variety of sporting practices in the past year or so. I`m so glad that my touch was gentle. With this memory from my own experience this is enough for me right now!

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I have experienced my share of Thai Massage sessions by insensitive therapists who caused pain easily. That's why I am always stressing to develop feeling and sensitivity, think softness, sink in with body weight instead of pressing etc. Any technique, even if you use knees, feet or elbows, can be done very gently if you control the amount of weight or the degree of stretch.

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Module 21:

Todays big comment from the feedback was that one boy who is 13 now and has been getting massages from me was really happy and really “ felt” the hip massage with my elbow on the outside of his hips. This was when I was in butterfly stretch and is around 13:30 mins into the video.

The boy has had hip issuers for a while and plays lots of sports. He said that it was better than his usual physio session and he felt a release of feeling looser when he stood up! I`m really happy with that!

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Module 22:

Although of yesterdays classes concentrating on module 21 and the new moves, I studied this video before and after  I did the massage. I studied module 21 and 22 together which was a nice change at this time of the course because I felt more aware of the moves from both in 2 massages yesterday morning though I only tried ones from module 21. Then very early today after continuing with a 30 minute leg massage which concreted modules 21 leg stretches my  youngest male client allowed me and even encouraged me to re watch the 22nd module. So, as he was waiting for his lift home I have just tried  a couple of moves on him.

This boy has usually got issues with his legs and hips and he presented with no soreness in in the hands and upper body/ shoulder modules. Interesting though today was that when he was ok with module 21 by module 22 he said that his muscles were a but sore even though I didn’t feel as if I was going deep, used the 1-10 communication with him and didn’t over stretch with new moves. Perhaps as it was so early for him he was dehydrated in the early morning. He wanted this early  session as he is travelling today but his body did feel a bit raw to begin with. Raw as in tight.

He found crossed legs at 8:50 very tough on his hamstrings. We had to release the stretch as he said he felt a cramp. I immediately released and he then relaxed for a bit, then I did the sitting as in 13:30 and left it at that, He reported a rush going done his legs at the back which felt good!Cool

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