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Colleen Boveri's Complete Thai Massage Course Notes
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Elephant Walking is one of those things that look so easy. However it only feels good if you sink into the muscle in the exact right spot with feeling, a soft hand and slowly and gently. If there is any tension in your hand, or if the hand is not "in flow", it will feel lifeless. It it will come with practice. This is one of those deceptively simple moves which require much more artistry than it appears.

I am amazed that your partner right away liked the stretch where you wrap his legs around yours. That's one of the more heavy duty stretches, and many people cannot even handle that one.

You are so right about the rote teaching style of Thai Massage which is so common unfortunately. That's something which always serves me as a good example of what not to do! Smile

Regarding module 14, it would be a miracle if you would sail through all modules without experiencing any difficulties in the beginning. That's to be expected. Sure, it is always easier to start practicing on a smaller person. I don't think you have to skip anything, as you say, you just need more practice. In a few months from now, many techniques will come to you much more naturally.

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Module~15

The wave motion was great once the client relaxed into it and I found my rhythm.

Thumb press took a bit for the client to warm up to.

The body positioning for the rib exercises - straddling their body - was very uncomfortable for me.I will have to practice a way to do these that does not tax my back and hips. I am strong and flexible, but hovering over someone who is moderately wide compared to me, is not ergonomic.

Client loved the armpit circles and rib rub.

The rib push was good, but I felt client holding on and encouraged him to relax into the movement and breath.

He loved the sternum circles and sternal rock.

Elephant walk is so nice.

 

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Module~16

First position is taxing on my posture, most likely because I had straddle him and he was wider than me. The client loved the move.

Next move, sliding the knee under shoulder- great for traps! I want someone to do this to me- when can you come to KC and give me a thai massage?????

Shoulder circles are lovely and so is the pull push.

I like the arm stretch, I always put a thin baby blanket around my foot so I do not accidentally pinch their skin. I loved the way you taught this posture and the next one. You are very through and it really makes a difference!

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I have thought that so many times: "I wish someone could give me a massage just how I teach it." Hasn't happened yet! Smile

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Module ~17

I like the elephant walk, always a nice comforting feeling.

The arm stretch was great. 

working the sen lines in the arm feels good, but why did we do something similar later in the video?

When massaging up the hand lines is it ok just to go straight up and do the finger movement at the same time?

I have a hard time finding the spaces in between the hand bones seamlessly. I need to work on that becoming more fluid.

When the wrist is flexed and the palm is massaged up to the fingers i feel awkward.

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Module ~18

The arm pull is so great, matter of fact,  the the client that i was working on had injured his shoulder (biceps tendon and possibly medial deltoid),  an after doing this sequence rather cautiously he was able to lift his arm fully for the first time in weeks.

The twist/kerrie-rundes-thai-massage-shoulder-therapy-course-notes combo moves just do not work for my size. I feel very uncomfortable and strained.  I feel as though I am working harder not smarter. I will have to see what works for my body dimensions and tailor it to each client.

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"Working the sen lines in the arm feels good, but why did we do something similar later in the video?"

I don't know what you are referring to. After I show the arm sen line techniques, there are no more arm techniques in this video. The rest is all hand massage techniques. Can you clarify please?

"When massaging up the hand lines is it ok just to go straight up and do the finger movement at the same time?"  Certainly, that's fine!

"When the wrist is flexed and the palm is massaged up to the fingers i feel awkward." No reason to feel awkward. This is just a normal hand/wrist stretch which feel perfectly good to clients unless they have a serious wrist issue. Of course if you do it too strongly it won't feel good anymore. This is not meant to be a power stretch, so take it easy with it and it will feel fine.

"...after doing this sequence rather cautiously he was able to lift his arm fully for the first time in weeks." Congratulations!

"The twist/kerrie-rundes-thai-massage-shoulder-therapy-course-notes combo moves just do not work for my size."  The only reason why this would not work for you is if you are quite small and you work on a large and heavy client. There are many stretches in Thai Massage that depend on the size/weight ration between therapist and client.

In this particular stretch (Upper Spinal Twist) you have to make sure that you lean back with your body weight. If the client is so heavy that you cannot pull up the shoulder with your body weight, then just skip this stretch on this client.

The "Figure 8 Shoulder Move" is another one where it is super important to work only with your body weight. If you try to muscle that one you will wear yourself out in no time. Again this stretch should be skipped on very heavy clients if you are small yourself.

Always remember that all those stretches are presented as options for you to choose from. They are not meant to be mandatory ingredients for every session and every client.

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Module~ 20

Both the client and I prefer the sen lines on the foot to be worked on by walking on the feet and also massaging the sen lines with the fingers, but I can see how it saves the finger and joints over the long haul.

I like the push/pull traction, but can that destabilize someones pelvis if they are hyper mobile?

The rock is nice- I need to practice on my rhythm though.

Achilles tendon movement is nice, is there such a situation when someone is to boney and it does not feel good? when my husband tried it on me it felt that way????

Elephant walk is oh so lovely.

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Module~21

I really like doing the hamstrings from a standing position, whereby I hold the feet, knees bent 90degrees and I slowly compress up and down the hamstring with my foot by leaning gently.  I personally do not like when someone slides there leg under my groin, my hubby likes the standing version better as well. I guess everyone is different

I prefer all of these moves from different positions. It seems to be a lot of jostling around where in some other positions it feels more more flowing, calm and relaxed.

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I recommend not to do the push/pull technique on hyper mobile clients.

All those various techniques are not meant to be all done on every client. They are options for you to choose from. The art is to combine them in an elegant and flowing way, and use those that are the best fit for you and your client. That only comes with lots of practice. It is also quite normal for you to have preferences in regards to what techniques you like best.

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Module~22

Quad and shin stretch was great. The variations we wonderful as well.

The3rd quad stretch, where you lift leg and press glute -his lower leg was to long to put in my armpit, so I did from a side lying position.

Buttock move is nice, but again I am short, so this made leaning over to grab clients hip difficult- not ergonomic for me.

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Module~23

Working on the sacrum was very weird for me. I had difficulty finding a comfortable position. My client said he really did not feel any benefit from it, maybe it is because he has loose SI Joints and great pelvis mobility- who knows......

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Module ~24 Prone back

I totally agree that working on the back is very hard on the thumbs and wrist!!!! I always put a long soft pillow under all my clients chest and put a comfy face cradle on a few 2 inch foam yoga blocks ( on the floor in front of the foam pad) And I can almost always get every client really comfortable while lying on the belly.  I am so glad that you take the time to reference these things, there are alot of trainers who do not.

- shoulder blade to hip circles were nice.

-Heels of hand on erector muscles, I definitely will practice getting into the rhythm on this one and the next three moves.

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Module~25  Prone Back 2

I like the reminder to open the knees so one could cover more space!

- First move was great.

- Trapezius move. Great move had to modify for my clients injury

- Elbow in groove move, client said it was a really great back opener.

- Could not get comfortable with using the flat part of knee. I need to develope a sensitivity, just like one has when they use there hands all the time :)

-  I like the technique where you put one hand on the lower back and one on the sacrum, how far do you go up the back?

 

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Module~26 Back work

- Really liked the use of the forearm on the shoulder blade

-  The horse gallop technique was really well received. It felt great to finally get the rhythm down.

-  Elephant walk up the back was lovely, client enjoyed it.

- The last 3 moves the client loved. I still feel awkward using my forarm. It is much better for me to use it because of my wrist injury, so I will fine tune my technique.

 

 

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Module~27

- The first move I really liked, client felt like I should do this with a bit more intensity.  Is it meant to be a light touch, gentle stroke?

- My client really liked the next one whereby you grab muscles with fingertips and pull/roll back

- Move three was just adverage, client did not find mit to be real relaxing.  I think I just need more practice.

- Loved shoulder blade circles

- did not get much from #5

- Client works at a computer all day and really like the version of Cobra where you pull the arms. Is this ever done where the  client grabs your wrist?

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"Module 22: Buttock move is nice, but again I am short, so this made leaning over to grab clients hip difficult- not ergonomic for me."
Yes, this would not be the right move for a small therapist working on a large client. If there is such a combination, just skip this technique.

"Module 23: Working on the sacrum was very weird for me."
You need to work on that some more. There are lots of comments in this forum from students who had excellent results and great feedback from the sacrum work. Watch the video again and play with it a bit more. Adjust your position until you feel more comfortable and work with a partner who can give you lots of feedback. Don't practice it on a real client. By the way, I can guarantee you that the issue is not that he has loose SI joints. The issue is that you have not found your groove with it yet. Personally I have always found that my clients really like the sacrum work. It's worth practicing! Smile

Regarding knee sensitivity - that's another one that develops with practice. If Thai Massage would be so easy that it works right out of the box, then there would be lots of experts out there. However it is a healing art which takes years to perfect. But once you have developed sensitivity in your knees, it will make your work a lot easier and more effective.

Same goes for the forearms. Since you already have an issue with your wrist, it is important to acquire lots of skill with other body parts. In the beginning it does feel weird to use all those body parts if you have been mostly working with your hands before. Later on down the road you will be wondering how you ever worked without them before!

Regarding the intensity of working on the trapezius, this depends a lot on the client. Some can handle and appreciate solid work there, and others will start crying if you go in strongly. This area can be quite sensitive. If in doubt, just ask the client by using the one-to-ten method.

Regarding the last version of the cobra, yes, the client can grab your wrist and you can grab theirs. That's what I use on heavier clients. My model in the video was quite light, so just interlocking hands worked fine on her.

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Module ~28 Prone Summary

My client really liked this practice session. He is an avid walker and also sits for a large potion of the day.  He enjoyed the work on the feet, legs, glutes, back and shoulders. I like to have my clients put there chest on a standard size, flat to medium thickness pillow and I keep there head off of the Thai mat completely. I make a set-up similar to a massage therapist head cradle so they can have their head facing down the whole time with plenty of breathing room between them and the floor. I am careful to keep their head in line with their spine. They all seem to like this better than having the head turned.

I really need to work on my transitions. I am not real tall and when I have a larger client, in length as well as width, I am not that graceful.

Practice, practice, practice.............

Love and Light always~ ColleenSmile

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Module~29  Side Lying

Hello Shama, I have a question to ask you while it is on my mind. What are the acupressure points that you should not do for pregnant women and also, whenever performing a blood- stop type of procedure what are the contraindications- people with a blood clot history etc......

I really liked all of your explanations in this practice session. It was helpful to know to widen your knee stance and also to knee walk back and forth for the longer client. The explanation of the inner thigh stretch/blood-stop was great and like you said the practitioner will need to develop a sensitivity to be able to perform this correctly I totally get that!!!

I love working in the side-lying position and have found that besides supporting the head, a flat yoga bolster under the top leg along with a long body pillow supporting the torso helps to prevent some of the flopping (especially in a loose bodied client).

My client really enjoyed the palm press warm up, hip circles & percussion to hips.  The inner thigh leg lifting stretch is difficult for me, especially if I have a large client. I will choose to do that in a supine format.

Thanks so much Shama!

Best~ Colleen

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Here is a video which shows good support in the side position:

Thai Massage Tips And Tricks Part 2

And here is a useful article about contraindications for massage, including a section about pregnancy:

Thai Massage Contraindications

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