October 10, 2012
Hello everybody. Just got first module (chi machine)...whole day at work was waiting (anxiously) to get home and to try it on my guinea pigs. Sometimes my co-workers could see me standing in aisle and trying to rock my hips. In the evening I tried it on two people. Surprisingly it works well. Both were easy rocked, I paid attention to the whole body movement. Kind of takes time to catch the rhytm, and amplitude of movement. From time to time raised my hands in air, pigs really liked it.
My question for how long you can do it. Will be 1-2 minutes enough.? Anyway both my "patients" express really pleasant feeling, but I noticed, that more flexible ones, much easier to move.
Very good point about ergonomics and right breathing. They are crucial components of that.
By the way noticed a lot of ergonomics mistakes when watched thai massage performed on different YouTube videos. So if I will not become a professional massagist, I can always become a thai massage critic.!!!
Overall, thank you Shama for your heart and soul attached to it course. Waiting for the next!!!!
That happens to me as well. I watch a youtube Thai Massage clip, and I can instantly tell if the therapist is using good ergonomics or not. Once you know how to do it right, it becomes part of you. I have seen many therapists who are addicted to working with muscle power instead of body weight and good leverage. This is the best way to cut a massage career short.
If we want to do massage work professionally over a long period, learning how to use our own bodies most efficiently is extremely important. Good ergonomics protects our health, makes the massage much easier for us, gives us better leverage and more power, and it feels better for the client.
You can do the Chi Machine for several minutes if you like. You will notice that if you do it too long, you will tire, so that's your natural message to stop it. If you don't do it long enough, let's say under a minute, the client won't get that wonderful tingly feeling of energy flowing throughout the body. So better do it a bit longer rather than too little.
While the course progresses, there will be a lot more about ergonomics, breathing, and other principles that distinguish a true healing art from a mechanical massage.
October 10, 2012
got module 3. diligently worked, on everything and was planing to write my observation. About importance of mental components, about whole body positions ( I even schematically drawn your position on a piece of paper,looks like a comic book), about breathig and fluidity of exercise and transformation from one to another.
You can imagine, how surprised I was, when I got next module, in which you describe and emphasized exatly same pouts of you. It makes me feel happy, means I am not out of touch, but on the same wave frequency as you are. As an acupuncturist, who live in the world of Chi, it was very pleasant to find out, that there are other people like you.
Interested, the exercise, which did not feel good to me, did not feel good for receiving person...it has to be a energy level contact...I knew it before, but got assured one more time.
Thai massage, is not just a massage. It is exchange of the Chi between practitioner and a patient...
if it is not there...then it does not work.
Good to hear that we are on the same wave length!
You are right, Thai Massage is not just a way to move muscles and bones around, it is a way to move energy as well. And without this aspect, it loses much of its power and beauty. You will learn a lot more about this during the course. It will be familiar to you because of your exposure to the 'world of Chi'.
October 10, 2012
got a a new module.legs warm up. Interestingly, but every time when a new moves comes into the practice, they feel like rough, unpleasant, does not smooth...And the next day it started to show some promises. Practice, practice and practice...very iimportant is concentration and being slow.always have to stop myself...slower, Boris. When you get slow and fluid movements, my guinea pigs starting to relax, and almost fall asleep.
Trying not to think about sequences, but being like a wave. Come , brush ashore and new wave.
Like a dance, it takes two to tango...
Connection between practitioner and patient at highest level...
The Tango is a perfect example. If a couple never danced the Tango, and they start learning it, they will make a horrible mess out of it the first time they try it, stepping on each other's toes, hurting each other, bumping into each other...
But give them a few months or years, and they will put on a show that is so beautiful that the spectators cannot take their eyes of them and they get tears in their eyes because the dance is so amazing.
Sure, the first time you do Thai Massage it will feel rough and you wonder how anyone could ever enjoy this. Fast forward a few years, and clients will line up in front of your door to pay you to work on them because you have this magical touch.
No, it did not happen the first time, and not the second time either. But it will get better with each practice session. If it would be so easy, people could just watch a few youtube clips and do it. But it is a real art which has to be learned properly, and there is a lot more to it than just the mechanical aspects of the techniques.
Over time both you and your clients will fall in love with it - at least that's what I hope and that is what I am trying to accomplish with this training course.
October 10, 2012
got second part of leg warms up. Interestingly second part, which supposed to be for bigger people worked much smoothier than the first one, may be it is "experience" starts to kick in? Although ittookme almost a day to figure out proper body positions, and legs positions for acces to different lines, but once I got it, the rest was fine. "Patients" really enjoyed it, as well as I am. Feel not tired, after almost 25-30 minutes work.Did nit quiet get an "elefant walk " especially on the calf. Should it be completely of the bone? Have a feeling, that it is not quite right.
But overall have a good impresiion, on a warming. I think I have to figure out right sequence, and which exercise to use after other, cause, so far aim trying to do all of them, and often get cought running around. Foot, calf, hip, foot, hip.....And also not good for the patience, when I am constantly flexing the leg this way, than this way, than back to first again.
Thank you, Shama, so far you did not disappoint me.
Look forward to streches.
After you get through the leg stretches, there will be a summary module where I just show the flow of a session based on everything I demonstrated in the preceding modules. That will help you get the flow and the sequencing right.
Regarding the calf muscle, yes, stay off the bone.
Don't worry about not getting it completely right at this point. That is quite normal. It just takes some time to get a real feeling for a session. This will start to happen once you have practiced the techniques enough so that you don't have to think about how to do them anymore. Then you will get to an entire new level - you will see!
October 10, 2012
Got and worked on first of the leg streches. Wonderful diagnostic introduction. Especially about relations of the foot position and hip joints. First day started to check on my patients, together with my co-worker (chiropractor).. Started to notice difference before and after... Streches, adjustment. I have been practicing a lot of Japanese style acupuncture. In base of Japanese type of acupuncture treatment, practitioner has to figure out most deficient pattern according to pulse and stomach diagnosis. then a certain set of needles supposed to be inserted, and technically speaking, tight part of the abdomen supposed to relax...
I was surprised, that not only abdomen is relaxing, but also foot start to twist in open hips position. Which is explain, cause most of the stomach muscles connected to the pelvic and hips area.Wow!!!
Streches worked nicely, slow and dedication starting to sink in.
October 10, 2012
Got module 8. Worked as slow as I can, trying to coordinate with breathing. Great point to pay attention to.
The conceptual thinking of hip rotation (8 ways) also very helpful in structural understanding of hip movement and probably help to separate what kind of streches we can do on each patients, help to diversify according to needs of different people. The longer I see , the more I understand that there is very strong fundamental theory behind the massage... Probably better to use the word traditional thai treatment...I think it reflect it value, properties and goals much better than just a massage.
Anyway, thank you for your diligent work, and your timely response...
Look forward to do more...
Sorry, was delayed by "Sandy" arrival.
I hope you had no problems because of Sandy.
Yes I agree, this style of Thai Massage which I am teaching is much more than some kind of eastern massage. It is a real therapy system, and it goes much deeper the longer you do it. The strange thing is that in most official schools here in Thailand it is taught as a strictly mechanical process. I never felt comfortable with this and that's why I felt compelled to put an entirely different layer into it - the energetic components, the emphasis on breath, hara, flow etc. The longer I practice it, the more I go deeper with it. That's why I keep producing more and more courses to cover all those aspects in greater depth.
October 10, 2012
Hello!!! Got modules 9,10,11...
Thanks to last demonstration, figured out, that what I was doing is right..importance of the flow, different level of stretches, according to patient condition, good posture, breathing, everything molds into one performance. Thank again Shama, for gradual immersion into Thai massage world, materials dosage is absolutely wonderful, (like cooking of Chinese herbal decoction, you very often add herbs not all at once, but one after another. ).
Finally, I do not have to jump from one leg to other and back...Choose what you feel right on the spot. Give me much more needed confidence.
Looking forward for the next one.
That sounds really great, like you are totally getting it! I think this is the first time that someone has compared the delivery schedule of the video modules to a Chinese herbal concoction . I am glad that you appreciate the gradual delivery method. It is definitely much better than dumping a DVD with 150 techniques on someone and then leaving them alone with it:)
October 10, 2012
Hello, Shama!!! Worked on the 12,13,14 modules. Module 12 on the hips was wonderful, people love it, I love it. Wonderful tools not only in massage but in diagnostic of hip and SI joints problems...after seeing difference in SI joints, while pushing the knee down, could figure the misalignment in on of the SI, worked on that hip, by using a stretches (up, 45 out, 90 out). On the 90 out heard click...SI was adjusted...Fabulous...without pressing on the bone, natural muscle induced adjustment.
First I had not been fascinated by the rocking techniques at all. But tried it..Guess what, people really love it, it is really smooth, it worked on sensitive people, and it is not as innocent as it looks...Some stretches, could be really beneficial. So I take my words back, and try to include this type more into practice.
Anyway, thank you again. So far one month into it, gave me a lot of confidence, and practice, and of course KNOWLEDGE!!!!
October 10, 2012
Got shoulder and hand module. Work much easier than a legs...may be experience starts to kick in. A lot of technique has a similarity with legs and hips.Working on angles and proper body positions, constant reminder to myself...if I am not comfortable, something is wrong.
Wonderful e-mail about turning massage into a healing art... 100 percent on it. Mechanic is base..Awareness ,mind connection, proper breathing and synchronizing with a patient a must...
Was doing massage to a patient with neck and shoulder problem. Total massage time was 40-50 minutes. After first 15 patient was sleepy. basically stretched lower area, according to your courses, till a stomach. In other words did not even touched shoulder and neck area. But after we finished, patient felt so good and relaxed , that her neck and shoulder pain was gone.
That is somehow explain Thai perseverance on leg works.Which comes in total correlations with Japanese ideas, of Sotai,-Ho and Seitai Shiatsu , which explain the main imbalance in pelvic and hip area, as fundament of body pillar. Interesting to find a relations, between similar, but not identical treatment modalities and countries.
You are experiencing that once you go through a lot of modules, it all gets easier. The basic principles of the massage remain the same, just the techniques change, and sometimes even they are quite similar.
Your second experience is also very accurate, namely that working on one part of the body has an effect on the rest of the body as well. This is a good sign and it is exactly what you want to see happen in your work. Good job!
October 10, 2012
Hello Shama!!! Sorry for keep silence, but tried to combine few lessons into one session, apply it to few people and then give my perception.
Prone position, something new, some technique are similar. Yesterday practice,onto person with very sensitive glutes, she did not complained, but mentioned that glute knee pressing was kind of hard, ...could be me, could be her. Stretching everybody enjoy, Very helpful to demonstrate different version of same stretch ...people are different, have to find a clue. Also, had problems with raising knee while pressing on the glutes (foot in a armpit). I am not a small person, but some people legs, long, so even if I can put their legs, but really hard to grasp a leg above the knee and efficiently pull.. May be I am doing something wrong, but other person legs felt extremely heavy...Probably finding a right proportion between raising leg and pulling/changing body weight can help. Anyway, I already came to conclusion, that if something, do not feel right, I am doing it wrong. But...never give up, never surrender.
Ready for 23...
If someone has very sensitive glutes, it would be better not to use the knees but do some rocking with your hands. I use my elbows and forearms quite a bit for rocking on the glutes, and this can be done very gently.
Regarding your problem of pulling the leg up with client's foot in your arm pit: The idea is to get a real good grip on the leg, but leave your arm completely straight. Then you pull back with your body weight simply by leaning back while your other hands is leaning on the glutes. This should not be difficult unless you have small hands and work on a client with large legs. In such a case this technique would not be appropriate.
You could modify this technique by putting your knee in the glutes and pulling the leg up with both hands. In this case you could not put the foot in your arm pit which does not always work anyway, as you noticed, depending on the length of the client's leg.
You can get a very similar effect from the technique where you sit on the client's sacrum area facing towards the feet, and lift the leg with both hands. This technique is easier since you can use both hands for lifting.
There is also a technique which you will learn in the side position which has a very similar effect. There are always a number of different ways of accomplishing something in Thai Massage.
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